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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

One thing I'm noticing in these comments, and in a lot of comments threads is the "well yeah, duh. Everyone already knew that" and while I'm definitely in that camp and have done that myself, I am starting to wonder if there is danger there.

Like, this is a significant breach of privacy and trust and the kind of thing that we should be up in arms about. But we already assume the government is doing the worst movie villain shit imaginable, so when we have evidence of it we shrug it off as just another Tuesday.

Yeah, waters wet. We should still be alarmed when we see a puddle of it somewhere it shouldn't be. (I don't know if that analogy actually tracks but I'm sticking with it).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

You're not wrong, but these days the number of members of the public that truly cares (to point of taking action) about privacy is an extreme minority.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Puddle has been wet for a while, infact, it's practically almost an inland ocean, why do you think we're funding drone wars? Ai computing? Quantum computers? tactical robotics? Surveilence companies like Pegasus, Blackrock, Palantir, Even our our domestic surveilence is getting a larger check than defense. It's a very deliberate "funding" of institutions that ultimately give the police an upperhand, not saying that the police are directly funding these institutions, but rather the state, although not much when it comes to anything outside the defense budget.

There's a reason why privacy advocates are for alternative tech, and that's because since 9/11, corporations have become "lobbied" for lack of a better word, to include backdoors and implement certain tech to aid a surveilence state, such as the removal of headphone jacks, the endorsement of useless and extremely vulnerable tech that's more energy wasting, blutooth products (yeah i have a problem with it, everyone should), fingerprint sensors, front and back facing cameras, artificial intelligence (yes even the older models.), and even going as far as to add metadata to photos that give your exact geolocation data.

Don't even get me started on the invasive software that comes with the tech, like auto generated albums, or auto editing photos, the such, it pisses me off that we let these things happen. Alternative tech makes it much harder to intercept such vulnerable information, ofcourse, it won't completely stop it, but it mitigates how much they can swipe under your nose.

Not only that, but check upon the "Blue Shield Act," it explains the motive for corruption within the american institutions of police, hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. It's the common trope for the kinds of psychopaths that would be okay with doing the job in the first place. If there's one thing that makes their job easier, it's definitely going to be you in cuffs staying silent, so why try to steer away from cutting corners? We're the law, what we say is final. Until it isn't ofcourse..

But that's the problem, as you state in your comment above, this abuse of power is shrugged off, almost as if a normal behaviour, expected. It's digusting to see it even when i grew up around the same mentality. But hey, at least their method clearly seems to be working, we're practically silent seeing as they still have the confidence to fuck with our lives.

Just remember, it's final until it isn't.

Blue Shield/Blue Wall/Blue Code https.//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I think you can just assume at this point the US government does not care about the constitution or it's people and will use any means necessary to collect data on those who wish to counter its growing authoritarian nature.

If you go to a protest, only take a burner phone or no phone at all. If you must take your phone, turn it off and Faraday cage it.

The US has become a failed state. Leave if you can. Things will only get worse before it completely implodes.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (3 children)

and they criticize china for this bruh

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Reminds me of:

Samsung: "Apple Bad! They removed headphone jack and the charging brick."

Also Samsung one year later: "sAvE tHe eNvIrOnMeNt 🤡"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Remember, they were really just admiring them 🫠

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Just a friendly reminder that China is still much worse than any flawed democracy when it comes to freedom

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just a friendly reminder that less evil, even if true, is still fucking evil.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even though most of the comments here point out the obvious that phones are a risk, this kind of journalism is still important for spreading awareness and documentation of illegal surveillance for the record

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah lemmy is mostly a left echo chamber, which is generally a net positive. But someone like my cousin who still gets their news from Facebook but might want to protest now they are thinking about their views would benefit from this journalism

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (19 children)

Eh, it's a center-left chamber at best. As evidenced by the extreme reaction to the far-left echo chambers.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (20 children)

Disagree, it's pretty far left. Reddit was center-left, this is where those too far left for Reddit came as it shifted a little to the right with the top-down reaction to the API change.

You refer to .ml, but that's not really left, it's a tankie instance, which is closer to fascism than socialism. I see far more people on Lemmy idolizing communism/socialism than any other extreme ideology.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (5 children)

You're oversimplifying (and so was I, to be totally fair). The Reddit exodus has lots of reasons. I think it has more to do with one's thoughts on corporatization and technocultural knowledge which does correlate with left-leaning politics. I'm sure there are many who are just sick of platforms giving Trumpists tacit approval (I think this is the primary driver for people leaving twitter) but that Venn diagram is not a perfect circle.

.ml has tankies, and there's plenty of fair criticism to direct at Dessalines and the mod team for generally cultivating a culture of knee-jerk anti-Western thought (and the inverse, more importantly) but it's not "closer to fascism" because it leans authoritarian and drapes itself in USSR/CCP aesthetic. But it's mostly a FOSS instance with well-deserved bashing of US imperialism and state-sponsored terrorism.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

By "far-left" you mean the pro-Russia and pro-China segment of this place? They seem more like government mouthpieces than people who actually support leftist policies (which don't represent the policies of the Russian or Chinese government.

This place is also full of Blue MAGA liberals which I'd classify as right-wing at this point, so it seems there's a whole spectrum of beliefs represented here.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 4 days ago (3 children)

once again.

do not take your phone to a protest

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And if you must, leave it off, ideally in a faraday cage/bag.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

: takes off face and puts it in faraday cage:

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

And cover your damn face.

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[–] [email protected] 186 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I mean...is that not assumed to be the default? Cell phone surveillance is pretty much just business as usual in this country is it not?

[–] [email protected] 135 points 4 days ago (13 children)

This is illegal without a warrant. And judges have been denying broad sweeping warrants that would cover such situations.

[–] [email protected] 115 points 4 days ago (2 children)

We are in different times. This administration doesn't care about warrants.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

It honestly doesn't care about "illegal" much either 😅

Edit: for themselves of course! Everyone else...

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

pardon me, sir, but this is illegal withou-

click

hey! Uncuff me! This is illegal!

car door shuts

Hey! Let me out of this car!

vroooooom

Where are we going!? You can't take me to jail!

arrives at jail

Dear family, they call this place prison, it looks like prison, and I've been issued what they're calling a "lawyer", but impossible as that may be considering they didn't have a warrant, I can only deduce that I've been kidnapped by a vigilante to a remote location pretending to be a prison!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago

Relying on the rule of law is reactive.

Ditching the phone is proactive.

Be Proactive.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago

Pretty sure this kind of thing has been illegal since before Edward Snowden became a whistleblower, tbh. The US Government hasn't cared about people's privacy and the laws surrounding it for decades.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Exclusive BREAKING NEWS: After careful consideration by the World's top scientists from 1000+ top Universities, it turns out that WATER, H2O, the Wet Wet is, in fact, wet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No fucking way! I'm gonna need about 100 articles about that, all explaining the exact same thing, but slightly too dumbed down to the point that it doesn't actually tell me anything.

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 4 days ago (9 children)

If you attend a protest, you need to read this and follow it:

https://ssd.eff.org/module/attending-protest

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (6 children)

So basically, one could go to ICE protest and troll with fake conversations about attack points and watch them scatter to control nonexistent issues.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

"Free Donuts, corner of 12th & Main. Tell no one."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

better be VERY coded language that a jury would agree is innocent in nature and intent.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

Brave to think this will go before a jury.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yes, but they would probably arrest you instead.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

might be better to have a bunch of gibberish with a few named places.

They might think it's code and deploy there, and you're not actually making a legitimate threat they could come after you for somehow.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

Please dont take your fucking phone to a protest. Buy a burner if you must.

You will be tracked. And spied on. And facial recognitioned. Etc.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago

I mean who doesn't know this cmon

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Could AI be used to create a bunch of useless chatter in the airways that they would have to sift through and waste their time? Maybe use AI for actual good.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

IMSI spoofing is a product of wireless telephony being an ancient (way-pre-internet) technology, and we're long in an era where law enforcement (or in this case law-enforcement coded) investigators don't have to obey laws, such as assuring due process, and unreasonable searches disqualifying evidence. Instead they're hunting political enemies, and every prisoner of the United States is now a political prisoner.

It also means we don't have to obey the law, and can start using all-frequency jammers in and around protests and ICE actions to level the playing field. (It will also interfere with regular infrastructure, but it's not like ICE or the current regime gives half a fuck about that.

All-frequency jammers are older tech and easier to build than IMSI spoofers, and are highly illegal since so much of our commerce and communications depend on radio. But the current [FCC] has also been captured and is failing to do its job.

Any Amateur Radio enthusiast will know how to make a jammer. And current battery technology would assure you could make a handful that are portable and powerful enough to shut down blocks and blocks of municipal communication. This is playing pretty hardball, but then ICE isn't playing by the rules.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

From an RF enthusiast,

Wideband jamming will get a lot of attention very quickly and is extremely easy to triangulate with handheld hardware and a couple of hours of training. I'd recommended against doing that.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

IMSI catchers. It's known at least for 10 years now, that they get used on protests in US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Saw a job posting yesterday to assist a contractor with installing a system used by police to monitor school camera feeds directly "to support law enforcement". jesus fuck man

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You probably wouldn't want to bring a phone to some types of events, but as the number of these events increase, the odds of you just happening to be close to such an event during the course of a normal day might increase. Maybe it's best if we turn off 2g reception on our phones. No reason to be swept up in warrantless sweeps if not necessary.

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