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“Their project 2029 is going to be a rehash of all the consultant-driven, careful nonsense that has put them in this place… in a moment when the Republican Congress is passing one of the most devastating bills that we have seen in this country in forever,” he said.
Was project 2025 consultant-driven?
I think Jon was referring to the previous DNC strategies, which were heavily reliant on consultants.
As for P.2025, that was written by the Heritage Foundation, with chapters written by various groups and individuals paid to help craft the document. So, yeah, sorta, but not in the way the DNC does it.
I think Jon was referring to the previous DNC strategies, which were heavily reliant on consultants.
Opinion pollsters who don't try to challenge or move voters?
So, yeah, sorta, but not in the way the DNC does it.
What would be a more direct equivalent: the Center for American Progress writing it? Should they do that?
Right wing fascists are ruining the country and everyone on the left is punching left 🤦♂️
They’re not idiotic, they have to pretend to do something opposing the Republicans while they help them transfer all the wealth to the rich and start imperial wars around the world, otherwise normal people might catch on and do something about it.
This is it exactly. The Democrats are not on your side. They're neoliberals. They believe in the freedom of money. They are a party for rich people. This isn't a battle between left and right. It's a battle between rich and poor.
Do you think people vote for the perfect party? No. Never have. You vote for the least worse. And understand that you chose from the bad options they gave you so the most good was possible.
All this bleating about how evil the Dems apparently are when they've been hamstrung so long, I just don't care. It's a two party system and they're the least worse.
If a third party shows up, it has a chance of being good. But we all understand that under FPTP a third lefty party will only split the dem vote and hand a win to the GoP even when it's fair.
Here's the neat thing, though, they can be the least awful party, while still being absolutely awful and ultimately aiming for essentially the same thing as the most awful party. Just look at all the ghouls in the Democratic Party and associated apparatuses coming out of the woodwork to attack Zohran Mamdani for a damn mayoral race, out of fear that he might expose the lie that the Dems aren't serving the same masters as the GOP and working against the interests of the vast majority of the people in this country. The greatest difference between the two parties, at this point in time, is that the Dems are willing to wait longer to formally install our corporate overlords as our new lords and masters, and they'll wave a gay flag and pay lip service to the plight of minorities if that's what's needed to ultimately achieve the goal. But they will also ruthlessly go after anyone and everyone, within or outside the party, who would threaten to derail their plan and actually represent and advance the interests of the masses, rather than those of the few who aim to sit on thrones made of their own obscene wealth and the human suffering they created to amass said wealth.
You're a frog being slowly boiled alive, calling out to the rest of us that the water is fine and asking us to jump in the pot with you. No thanks.
Fuck. That. Shit.
#GuillotineParty.
That's what Hillary said. That's what Harris said. They lost, you're lost, and it's sad that you don't understand why.
In reality we have a lot of political power. We don't just choose from the options that magically appear in front of u in cute binary packages. That's not what happens every day of our lives.
"I only voted for our houses to be set on fire sometimes. Not the set our house on fire all the time and stab babies party."
People always say the Democrats are out of touch. While that is certainly true, that's not the real issue here. The Democrats know perfectly well what they would have to do to defeat Trump. It's blindingly obvious, after all. The point is they don't want to do any of those things.
It's partly that, but it's also that doing what Democrats want never seems to get the turnout that it should.
Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go "Well yea! About time!"
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go "I guess, it's a bit better than Republicans!"
Democratic voters suck ass at rallying behind any cause, because the base is filled with "well actually...!" people, that demand 100% problem completion on day one, otherwise they are not impressed.
And even if he solved every problem ever, they'd say, "Well yea, he should fix them... He caused most of them!"
Meanwhile, Republican voters will literarily vote for a rapist because they see the bigger picture. For as stupid as they are, they understand you have to be IN POWER to do anything.
Twirling your thumb in your asshole pining about raising taxes and fist past the post and equality for all and protecting minorities is a colossal waste of time if you don't VOTE.
Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go “Well yea! About time!”
He dithered and only reluctantly did this. And then when he did, he did it in a way that a corrupt SCOTUS could overrule. There were other paths he could have taken, but he chose the least-confrontational approach and ultimately the court negated most of his efforts. His fault or not, very few people actually ended up getting their loans forgiven. If he failed to consider a hostile SCOTUS in his plans, then that is a strategic failure on his part.
He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
His infrastructure bills are currently being torn to pieces as they were slow to actually spend their money. They were mired in everything bagel liberalism. A thousand requirements for dollar spent meant to solve every social ill under the Sun. But regardless, these bills didn't directly help individuals. They may be necessary to curb the rise of China, but that's not something that affects people's lives directly. Unionization? Biden was unable to stem the decline in union numbers, and he himself chose to be a strikebreaker.
He dithered and only reluctantly did this. And then when he did, he did it in a way that a corrupt SCOTUS could overrule. There were other paths he could have taken, but he chose the least-confrontational approach and ultimately the court negated most of his efforts.
I'm gonna gut check this, because I remember him trying couple of times to work out student debt relief. Also, what other steps would you have taken to get student debt relief/forgiveness pushed though? The only step I can think of is after the "president is a king" SCOTUS ruling he could have just canceled them and told everyone to fuck off, but using those powers was clearly something that he didn't morally agree with.
He picked the weakest method to start with, added many delays and means testing, then after being told no by Supreme Court just changed to going through the backlog of those who should have already been forgiven and called it him fulfilling his campaign promises.
Then on top of that allowed gop to force them to restart.
Exactly. And ultimately, voters don't want to hear excuses. They don't expect perfection, but they do expect some results. Republicans, even with limited majorities, always manage to achieve at least some of what they would call progress. Democrats OTOH just fine endless excuses. At some point, you're either incompetent or admitting to your voters that you were lying to them - promising them something you would never be able to deliver.
They left a lot of options on the table and then let the clock run out on them.
Eh. I get what you’re saying, but so much of the disillusionment from the potential dem base is coming from their constant promises and constantly arriving at the obvious conclusion decades late and then acting like they’re the most progressive politician in human history. While in reality it’s a half step toward the policies we should’ve enacted forty years ago.
It’s not that people are like “so what.” It’s the deep seeded knowledge in all of us that the party will try to throw us crumbs and claim like they’ve always been on our side and are the most righteous policy makers that are saving us, when in reality they’re walking hand in hand with people that are pushing us to absolute limit of barely acceptable and then dangling what they’ve known they should’ve done forever ago in front of us when we’re finally at our breaking point.
They don’t care about us. They’re not beholden to us, and it shows. They’re beholden to money and are performatively throwing us scraps when they have an opponent so far right that it’s literally the threat of fascism. And they are very much responsible for the continued rightward march of the entire country.
The other thing I've noticed with Democrats (actually pretty much any group left of the Republicans) is that they'll splinter off into a dozen different groups at the drop of a hat and all infight with each other harder than they'll fight their actual opponents.
The hard right is so effective IMO because they'll glom together with people they don't 100% agree with to push things in the general direction they want before they start arguing about the details.
But you don’t understand! Kamala was actually saying she would be personally killing Palestinian children with her bare hands or something! Clearly we should just stay home! - idiots
Is it time yet to consider a 3rd party?
#GuillotineParty is going to do the same thing to the Democrats that the Tea Party did to the Republicans.
Unite them under a common front, get absorbed and move the Overton window in the other direction?
Take them over from the inside out, replace their wishy-washy moderates with extremists, energize the base, and start winning elections again.
So, yes, almost exactly what you said.
And which billionaire is going to be funding it? Because the tea party was Koch brother funded astroturf.
Yeah. Because you have to pay people to do things they dont want to do.
I don't think the Guillotine Party is going to have that problem. I think people will be lining up for the opportunity.
Any/all of them.
Not willingly, obviously. That's kinda the point.
Always has been
Always will be.
I wish Stewart would run for office.
I understand the urge but please stop electing people from TV.
Nah, they're the only ones we have any idea about. Not to mention zelensky has been killing it.
In most cases I agree. Stewart is not a political neophyte though. I mean it's not like he runs a reality show
His humour requires wit, understanding and nuance. His product is much more intelligent and complex than say, a competition show where people compete for a " job" with some thinly veiled gangster.
So basically he's waaaaaaay over qualified to be president.
I think if Stewart won the white house and made Colbert his press secretary, and he played the character from the Colbert report and just framed everything Stewart did as the most hardcore American Conservative stance and talked about how Republicans need to get on Stewart's level, they could actually shift the Overton window.
I am listening to this episode right now. He's spot on. These idiot libs seem to want another loss.
Jon Stewart is not impressed with the Democratic Party’s plan to craft a Project 2029, which he said will just be a “a rehash of all the consultant driven, careful nonsense” that caused them to lose the presidency to Donald Trump.
It's not the party doing this...
It's the neoliberals that were run out of the DNC creating their own club and hoping progressives fall for the bait and fight to be included in a place they have no power and will be ignored.
Don't take the bait. Let them hold their own meaningless meetings about what the least they can do would be.
Stewart was pretty specific about who/what he was complaining about, but articles are missing the details and all of them seem desperate to turn people off from the new and I proved DNC now that neoliberals don't control it.