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Every time I see articles like this, I think:
This was easily avoidable.
You think being white and middle class will save you? Bullshit. We're all on the menu.
I'd like to point out a few things in this legal logic bomb here. I'm not a lawyer either but...
However, if all defendants tried in civil court solely on the charge of being here illegally, then they are not a criminal for being illegal by their own definition because they are in civil court. Even if they are being busted for a crime other than being illegal, they still have to go through the criminal court process for denaturalization which is by a trial with jury. I'm going insane trying to follow this cluster fuck of logic. --
Arent you glad you voted for an old dementia-ridden fart who refused to defend the country from these people?
Native-born Americans never have to worry about losing their citizenship, no matter what they do.
that is far too confident a statement
They're called Indians for a reason. So we're going to deport them to ..........throws a dart at a map the Indian Ocean.
But where will the next 25 space x rockets crash?
The government can only do this in specific situations. It must prove someone “illegally procured” citizenship by not meeting the requirements, or that they lied or hid important facts during the citizenship process.
Civil suit. Can anyone file a complaint?
Yes, but they'll deport first. You can appeal from wherever.
I'm thinking of citizens filing complaints about emerald mine nepo babies and models on genius visas
Cuban's and Venezuelan's are the main targets with this. And they overwhelmingly voted for Trump. (because a lot of them are far right refugees that fled Communist dictatorships) They thought a far right government in the US was on their side. FAFO.
As a naturalized Venezuelan I wish these MF two in the thoughts and one in the prayers.
I dIdN’t vOtE fOr tHiS.
Eeeyep. And my reply to them?
"You did. You absofuckinglutely did. History has proven time and time and time and (four hours later) time again that right-wing dictatorships do EXACTLY what the Shitgibbon's administration is doing. You voted for it. You just hoped it'd happen to the people you didn't like. News flash. They don't like you. So, pack your bags and drop your shorts. The Dildo of Consequences has arrived, and as usual, it is not lubed. Enjoy!!!"
I prefer to give people space to change who they are and how they vote.
I'm not going to join the downvote brigade because I do appreciate your position, but I will say...
...these people have had PLENTY of space to change who they are and how they vote. They had 4 years of 'finding out' after they fucked around in 2016. And we warned them, big time, what a vote for him in 2024 would mean. How much space will you and others like you give these people. That's the question of the hour.
I agree that it would have been better for people to figure things out a lot sooner. Its really hard for folks who are either listening to the right wing propaganda machine or tuned out from the news. I'll take late over never any day.
The time for that was after trumps first go at fucking us in the ass. I have no sympathy left for anyone that asked for this this time. Change all they want, I don't have any more capacity to care if their life was fucked because of their vote. I've never felt this way about any particular person before so it's new to me, but this fucking broke my empathy for the fools that thought this would work out in any scenario.
I can feel bad for their kids who had no say. But not for the pigs that asked to be slaughtered. The least they could do is have the decency to not act surprised when their throat is slit.
Agreed, but what is disappointing is to see these people not change after they see consequences.
At which point I have no more empathy for their plite.
This is extra satisfying considering how many of those that fled are actually just evil fascist capitalists. FAFO indeed.
Yup. When people point to the small percentage of Black Americans and Hispanic Americans t that vote republican it's solely because of the American Cuban and American Venezuelan population. They were wishing and hoping they'd at least get to be house slaves. (Historically, house slaves lives were just as brutal as manual labor slaves. The brutality was more sexual and psychological focused.) But the oligarchy doesn't care anymore, if they can get white slaves that's what they'll go with. It's honestly shocking to see poor white Americans faces when they realized they were also expected to work the fields along black Americans ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
While I hate what's happening to (gestures broadly) there is a bright side, dark as it may be to look at it this way.
Most of the people currently being targeted tend to vote Republican, so there will be less of those people to vote, and the ones still in the country come election day have a higher chance of not voting or flipping against the Republicans.
Also more and more non-minority maga are saying "I didn't vote for this" and getting hurt by these policies. If just a small portion of those gets out from under the brainwashing and either doesn't vote or votes 3rd party instead that could also cost Republicans races.
Margins were tight in a fair amount of races last cycle, house, senate, and president. If elections are allowed and there's no tampering with votes, the Republicans stand a good chance of losing the house in 26 and the white house in 28. There's also state governments to look at but I don't want to write a small novel in the comments.
All of this assumes we will still have elections.
One of the last steps in Project 2025 is issuing Martial Law and using that to cancel elections.
Yep, last paragraph "if elections are allowed"
I do not have high hopes of that happening.
I doubt that. Perhaps eventually, but you first deport the opponents voters.
🤔But maybe they're that stupid.
Your doubt doesn't change facts. You have the internet. Use it.
I hope you Americans are happy letting these people remain power, happy letting this happen.
There are processes in place to deal with this.
What we have is a lack of fortitude.
I take comfort in knowing that, if I live a normal lifespan, Trump will die in my lifetime. Unfortunately, all the hatred and bigotry won't die with him.
It's going to get worse as he gets replaced aby a more competent facist.
That was probably one reason why Hitler wasn’t assassinated by the allies. OTOH, the death of Franco (but to old age!) meant the end of fascism in Spain. When a dictator dies, there’s always a chance for better.
I won't be surprised if he is made a religious prophet by certain Christianity sects.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
People facing denaturalization get no free lawyer, meaning poor defendants often face the government alone. There’s no jury trial — just a judge deciding whether someone deserves to remain American. The burden of proof is lower — “clear and convincing evidence” instead of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Most important, there’s no time limit, so the government can go back decades to build cases.
Please stop promoting this line.
There is a growing mountain of evidence people did vote. Votes weren’t counted. Overseas ballots never arrived.
This line of commenting validates the election for them.
He’s a cheater. He cheated in 3 elections. 1st one was too obvious 2nd one too many people voted against him to make the cheat work, making him think that the other side rigged it 3rd one was the smoothest fix ever with Elon money and know-how.
If you’ve wondered why everything looks like a coup since he got in, perhaps it is because it is one.