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[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

IMHO, it depends on the role. Do you have a role that benefits from in person collaboration, or do you have a role where focus is the priority?

People get into warring camps about remote or onsite work, and we rarely talk about engineers, designers, accountants, etc. having very different needs. One size doesn’t fit all.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 20 hours ago

Remote work has been studied extensively for decades and the findings overwhelmingly show that remote workers, when provided the right tools and support, are significantly more productive. Demanding people commute to an office was never about productivity.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Who owns commercial and office property? Guessing most aren't by non executive, non board member, working class

https://realestate.usnews.com/real-estate/articles/commercial-real-estate-market-trends

There's a reason they combine office with data centers and the rest of commercial has been down

They made a bad decision gambling on overvalued office and commercial property leases and want to push their loss onto workers because they love to socialize the losses and privatize the gains

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

gets to office and signs into zoom meeting

[–] [email protected] 17 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

I was pushing to hold desk meetings back before we were in COVID.

Why am i stopping everything I'm doing to go sit in a room for 30 minutes and listen to everyone else talk about crap not related to me in which I've got maybe 5 minutes worth of things to say by the end.

In most cases we were already broadcasting the meeting to someone not in the room across the country.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago

I see all these posts/comments about meetings that are obnoxiously inefficient, and I'm so sorry for everyone who has to deal with them; it's almost completely foreign to me

I work medical, and our meetings are usually reps teaching us about some new or revamped devices... but they gather us on-shift to listen to a 5 min schpiel and have us sign a paper. If I'm busy, too bad and you can try and catch me next time. If I get called mid-teaching... my name is signed, and nobody cares. If I somehow miss it entirely... oh well, guess it's on me now to learn any changes. We have one formal review per year that takes all of 10 minutes. Maybe 2 or 3 formal meetings per year... and if I can't make it, doesn't matter

I already hate the few meetings we have, as is; and I'm only "required" to go to one per year... and it's maybe 10 minutes. Or I can dodge it, and just say "my bad" (though not a good look for you). I simply can't imagine being constantly pulled away for bullshit... and I guess I'm grateful for that

Granted, my job has it's own special flavor of hell and I should've been an electrical engineer. But all the lack of meetings involved makes me feel a little bit better; as penance for the other rampant bullshit I have to deal with

These meetings y'all speak of — I just can't imagine how antsy and aggravated I would be to have to attend such idiotic fluff that "could've been an email". Fuck, I can even ignore my emails with almost no recourse. Kudos to y'all for getting through it, cause I'd really rather not. Let me work, leave me alone, and then I go the fuck home; that's all I want

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Why not make a step further, and ask why do you even have 30 minutes meeting if it's not useful?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

My entire career could have been an email.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That's a more complicated problem.

Quarterly employee feedback says people feel in general that they don't understand what's going on in the company and what projects / deadlines are coming up and how it all relates to other departments. Everybody's pretty much in tune with what happens in their own department.

Project management spins up and creates confluence documents that contain all of this information. Analytics spins up weekly reports that go out to everyone.

Next quarterly, top issue is once again people don't understand what's going on at the company. We missed that, we didn't hear about that, we didn't understand those grass, we didn't know the chart was updated. Bottom line is nobody's reading the data there's departments are churning it out for nothing.

And that my friend is how you get a daily 30 minute all-hands sync and a weekly all hands company meeting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Sounds like a skill issue. Someone can't write an update that isn't the longest paragraph of text scientifically created to be the most boring and incomprehensible sequence of words put together as a biological weapon.
And by someone I mean everyone in the corporate world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago

I think it's an occupational hazard. If you don't have people interested in numbers you don't have finance people and analytics people. The people who are interested in numbers are unfortunately also generally the kind of people that don't understand that other people aren't interested in numbers. There are correlating data with excitement because it's what they feel.

Or analytics guy was having a rough week and said he was burning out from dealing with The analytics report. On the 6th it does this and on the 8th it did this and the 9th we had this sale. 99% of the people in the meeting only care that it's up and to the right, flat, or down into the right

The graph technically needs two to three points on it and you need to explain why it's aimed in whatever direction it's aimed.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Great 25 minutes of very relaxing work....

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

I'd rather put in my 8 hours get on my shit done and go the hell home.

Wfh is now 8 hours of moderately relaxing work and I don't even have to have another 2 hours of driving in traffic.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

my wife kept getting pressured to go into a specific office location every week. 2-3 hour commute each way to sit at a desk on video calls with little IRL interaction

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Work remotely if you care about speed. Work in-person if you care about velocity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

Is this you being silly or is this an actual thing?

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's not about productivity.

It's about control.

Guess who gets to work in private offices instead of the "productivity enhancing" open offices!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago

When my last company went to an open office plan, everybody (even the CEO) had to be out in the open because the whole company moved into one big room (with a little cordoned-off area for meetings). Granted, this was because we were on the edge of folding and we moved into the one big room to save on rent. But it did produce a nice "we're all in this together" vibe because it sucked ass for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This point i don't get...in all my jobs, team leads, department managers and basically all management level employees are sitting in the same open office as everyone else. I have never been somewhere where this is not the case. Is this a predominantly American thing?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're talking about the c-suites who make the decision to call everyone back to office, I presume

[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Yup, director level and above get their own office

CSuite get their own entrance and tunnel, don't want to enter with the rest of the plebs and walk in the same hallway

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Uuh, I remember the London Tube.

It's so soul draining (noticed the empty eyes and avoidance of eye-contact) that it convinced me to start commuting to work by bicycle in London when it wasn't all that common (and which ultimately took around the same time).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

Bike commuting kind of rules though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

how to tell if a tube photo was taken in summer:

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

Why? They are not wearing summer clothes

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't overthink people's expressions on trains, nor do I think we should be taking pics of people who look upset because they look upset.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

IF yOu'rE iN puBliC, yOu Can't ExPeCt pRiVacY - americans

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It's easier to just say "just because something is legal doesn't make it okay".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

I think, it's a completely different thing to be in outside and on the internet/recorded. It's different medium so it shouldn't be treated the same.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Its partly tradition, power displays, and disbelief. People who've been managers for decades somehow believe that being in the office is the only true way to do work because that's how it's always been done. Then you have some managers who will always get off on the fact that they can hold people's ability to feed themselves hostage to make them do what they want. Lastly, some managers just don't believe you can be productive at home. After all, all the not work things are there.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

evryone look irritated getting randomly photographed

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 day ago (9 children)

The whole "return to office" thing is a cocktail of like.. "Feelings Driven Leadership" and "The Cruelty is the Point". Oh, and "I'm incompetent so everyone else must be incompetent in the same way, too."

Many managers make decisions based purely on feelings. You can show them data but they don't care. They feel like being in-office is better. And maybe, maybe, it is, on some metrics. Are those metrics better for workers? Probably not.

And the cruelty? Well, as others have said, some people get off on having power over others.

The last point, there are some people who just can't manage themselves so they seem to think no one else can, either. Like someone the other day was saying he can't work from home because he'll just play xbox. To which I respond, from the depths of my soul, fuck off. Grow up and stop making everyone else around you suffer because you're an incompetent, unmedicated, shit. You can go into the office if you have to. Don't make everyone else suffer a pay cut too because you're trash tier at self control.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trains are a much more desirable way to get to work than driving is.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Environmentally, absolutely...personally? I absolutely fucking hate using public transport. I'd take 90min of sitting still in traffic alone in my car over bumping and griding with random strangers for 90min on a train any day.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I do not. I can read or watch movies while riding a train. No chance in a car.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I’m counting down the months until my work relocates to our new head office. I can say goodbye to the 35-75 minute commute (each way), and have a reliable ~60min train ride.

Sure it might take longer, overall - but I’ll be able to relax by reading a book, taking a nap or playing a game. I’d much rather that than deal with the anxiety of bumper-to-bumper traffic in a sea of SUVs filled with inattentive drivers.

I literally drive past at least one accident every day on my way to work. The Monash Highway in Victoria, IYKYK.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It really is the least talked about benefit to public transport, yet is so significant. Sure you can't do too much but you can watch a show/movie, play a game, read, write, draw or even do your taxes and shop from your phone and laptop.

Certainly can't do that driving around. And it let's you relax and change from work mode to home mode. Even if you have to do a little drive to and from the station.

Plus like you mentioned, less chance of delays and being involved in accidents. Win win win win.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

They don't care about this part at all. This is your time. It's your fault for not being rich.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

White shirt guy maybe, probably either at making you extremely mediocre coffee (looks too straight to be a good barista) or doing something like the ux design for the app interface to a microchip that doesnt let your dog love you without microtransactions. The owners are lobbying for it to be mandatory, and all dogs without it will be liquidated by 2030. The app is spyware written by a large language model, and only sometimes works. Iphone only.

Tan jacket lady maaaaaaaybe.

Black+white checkered shirt guy is a cop, he's already at work. He'll be very productive later, already planning on attending the protest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

🤣🤣🤣

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

You guys don't understand that this is is the goal. Happy rested people thinl a lot, demand things, want a better life. Unhappy and exausted people only want to go home and go to sleep, they loose their souls and think that this is better enough. Those are easy to control

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

That guy in white with air pods looks like he's going to be at 110% at prompt engineering and LinkedIn engagement.

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