this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2023
1641 points (90.2% liked)

Lemmy.World Announcements

30061 readers
28 users here now

This Community is intended for posts about the Lemmy.world server by the admins.

Follow us for server news 🐘

Outages 🔥

https://status.lemmy.world/

For support with issues at Lemmy.world, go to the Lemmy.world Support community.

Support e-mail

Any support requests are best sent to [email protected] e-mail.

Report contact

Donations 💗

If you would like to make a donation to support the cost of running this platform, please do so at the following donation URLs.

If you can, please use / switch to Ko-Fi, it has the lowest fees for us

Ko-Fi (Donate)

Bunq (Donate)

Open Collective backers and sponsors

Patreon

Join the team

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

Thank you,

The Lemmy.World Team

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 481 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.

[–] [email protected] 147 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.

It's been like that since the past 100 years.

load more comments (9 replies)
[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 years ago (17 children)

The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.

Defederation is the best response imo.

load more comments (17 replies)
[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago (7 children)

That's my problem with it. For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist. It makes their philosophies and claims seem really inconsistent and not based on any real ideology. It seems like at most an anti-US, anti-EU ideology, and for some reason they scorn the same US politicians that conservatives here do, while never mentioning any problems with the people in the US who are even more against workers rights and in favor of unbridled capitalism. Also, the tactics of groups of people mocking people and comments reminds me of the shilled-out shit that showed up on reddit several years ago.

load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 397 points 2 years ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Yeah glad to see those fucks go. There's been an awful lot of bad takes filling up content sections on certain topics, every time I checked who had posted it it was almost always a lemmygrad user.

load more comments (9 replies)
[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 years ago
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 262 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thank fucking god. It's exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.

[–] [email protected] 121 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Communism good, therefore China good, therefore West bad, therefore Israel bad, therefore dead Israelis good!

What a fucking worldview

[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 years ago (40 children)

Most of them have never spent time living under China / USSR as well lol. I'd like communism in theory, and I still think there's a possibility of it, but even just in Hong Kong the flaws of the CCP system of "socialism with Chinese characteristics" are very evident — and that's barely with any of the actual communism in Hong Kong.

load more comments (40 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 185 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Nothing of value has been lost

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 154 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] [email protected] 145 points 2 years ago (14 children)

I think this is for the best, there are some seriously disturbed people posting on Lemmygrad. I saw comments cheering on and celebrating the Hamas attack and talking about how they hoped the people who were kidnapped get tortured. Whatever your politics, that is super fucked up and not "legitimate discourse".

load more comments (14 replies)
[–] [email protected] 121 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
[–] [email protected] 138 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"Cowards" lol

They literally just ban you if you start to pick apart their bullshit opinions.

Proudly banned from [email protected]

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"You chose to not have to listen to our bullshit? Cowards!"

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 121 points 2 years ago (31 children)

Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.

load more comments (31 replies)
[–] [email protected] 114 points 2 years ago (28 children)

Good Job! You make my experience of Lemmy continuously better! You cleaned that CSAM up with the speed of light (I've never even noticed it), you managed the Piracy Community Troubles very well and now you made an well thought through decision about Lemmygrad. Well done Mods! And thank you all very much!

load more comments (28 replies)
[–] [email protected] 112 points 2 years ago (49 children)

I understand that they are staunchly pro-communist and also take a pro-Palestine, including some of them (many of them?) a more clearly pro-Hamas stance. And that all of this could annoy many of the centrist liberals that seem to dominate here. But from perusing the lemmygrad link I do not see clear signs of hate speech, certainly not a clear hate speech agenda as you would see with some hate groups. And judging by the comments on here many seem to be happy to be “rid of them” because they are “annoying”, or “immature”, or “tankies”, or whatever. It really reads largely like “their opinions annoy me” so I’m glad they’re gone.

There may be more to it, I don’t know, but personally I wouldn’t like lemmy.world, an otherwise fine instance by all means, to become a centrist liberal silo where no other opinion outside (mostly US-centric) liberal orthodoxy is heard. So yeah, not convinced that this was the right decision, basically because of a lack of evidence.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 years ago (22 children)

Hexbear and Grad users defend genocidal regimes like Ruzzia and China. They excuse their crimes and argue in bad faith. I had so many insane discussions before I decided to block both of these instances entirely.

They are, by every single sense of the word, tankies.

Tankie is not just an oblivious term that has no meaning. It signifies a red fascist. It's like arguing that it's bad that we don't let neonazis in discussions. They do not care about discussing. All they want is to spread their disgusting ideas while hiding them behind leftism.

By defederating from these instances, we don't become less leftists. These people are not leftist.

This is not a slippery slope. It is a necessary step to ensure the growth of this website and actually worthwhile discussions.

load more comments (22 replies)
load more comments (48 replies)
[–] [email protected] 100 points 2 years ago (27 children)

You guys were still federated with Lemmygrad this long?

[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Most of their communities were blocked since months, that's why you didn't see much of them.

load more comments (15 replies)
load more comments (26 replies)
[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Lemmygrad is a cesspool of pseudo intellectual unemployed neckbeards complaining about how oppressed they are under the yoke of capitalism, from their mother's basement in Wisconsin.

Good riddance to it.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This will be a much better experience for new Lemmy users browsing /All.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered. However, your freedom ends when it crosses over someone else’s. Good riddance, i had blocked most of lemmygrad’s communities anyways, since all they did was spread propaganda and hate.

Love the mod team (being ex-reddit, never thought I’d say that), the transparency and clarity of their communication with the community is great!

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 years ago

Before I saw lemmygrad: wtf are we doing?

After I saw lemmygrad: glad we defederate..

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago

FINALLY, thanks a lot! 👏

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago (4 children)

About time.

Tolerating intolerance will only lead to intolerance.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (4 children)

There was a lot of it.

Like a lot.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Pretty new to the lemmy thing. Learning the do not and safe zones of the federation.

Lemmygrad is a bit of a rabbit hole from the outside view. Like, holy shit. That place got wicked dark super fast.

load more comments (9 replies)
[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Good, are you defederated from hexbear as well? If not, please do.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Actually, we’ve never been federated with Hexbear. It was blocked before they started federating with other instances.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Oh, c'mon...

People have been celebrating when governments open their own Lemmy instance to put state services and support there and now we're defederating the very first of such Lemmy instances, that of the People's Republic Of China???!

/s

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank fuck. I hate those jerks. Good riddance.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›