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From the article:

"I know for a fact that Wikipedia operates under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license, which explicitly states that if you're going to use the data, you must give attribution. As far as search engines go, they can get away with it because linking back to a Wikipedia article on the same page as the search results is considered attribution.

But in the case of Brave, not only are they disregarding the license - they're also charging money for the data and then giving third parties "rights" to that data."

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[–] harry_assman@lemmy.world 112 points 2 years ago (3 children)

TIL; stay away from Brave.

Not only because of this article, but merely an hour ago I have read also this post (numerous links provided in the post) about the dubious Brendan Eich.

[–] Monologue@lemmy.zip 84 points 2 years ago (6 children)

i don't get why people choose to use brave, firefox is great and if you really need that chromium base ungoogled chromium exists

[–] SmugBedBug@sh.itjust.works 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Firefox has always been my go-to. In my opinion more people should use it.

[–] azron@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Librewolf is starting to replace Firefox for me. Either way birds of a feather!

[–] Jarmer@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago

I think LW is better out of the box. It has both UBO and Containers built in. Which is just awesome. I still use FF as my daily just because I have customized it beyond belief, but if I were to start over again I think I'd start with LW.

[–] frequency@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think Brave did some aggressive marketing, including social media posts and comments. I did buy their narrative at first too - a browser that already tuned to block ads and trackers. But later I've noticed that it constantly connects back to brave server and it looked suspicious. Firefox is the best.

[–] CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed, a lot of Reddit comments felt very shilly. Firefox is king and helps prevent Google dictate web standards.

[–] oblique_strategies@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, exactly. If every browser is chromium based the web will be an unhealthy monoculture. Easy for a single player to dictate standards. Haven't seen this mentioned as much, but its really important

[–] Matt@lemmy.one 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Brave is great for less techy people because it's defaults are good enough. It's not necessary to tweak settings and install add-ons to get basic privacy. I definitely prefer Firefox, but it takes some knowledge to get it to surpass Brave's defaults.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't like installing add-ons. I'd rather have it baked into the browser.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Add-ons give you a lot more choice and control than baked in options.

What's stopping Brave's blocker from just allowing ads from Brave's services? Can you see under the hood to tell if it's blocking everything or just surface level stuff?

A proprietary built in blocker is only as trustworthy as the people that made it, and as the links in this discussion suggest, Brave isn't earning much trust.

[–] Monologue@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago

you are right about choice and more control but brave's ad blocker is not proprietary here is the github link, ublock origin is still the king though

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[–] Syakaizin@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

For me, Firefox is an inferior product in terms of security feature implementation

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Stock Firefox has very limited privacy protections.

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[–] BeeCoffee@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 years ago

Everything is a process and personally thats no excuse to not criticize the bad actions of a project like brave, but in the topic of personal opinions like those from Brandon Eich’s, i think is completely emotional the reactions of the brave users, he has awful opinions with the same sex mariage thing and covid but that does not mean the damn product/service he's part of is bad or have censorship. He better shut up and dont ruin a good project because he wants to "speak up" about his stupid rant about insane opinions that makes bad PR.

[–] Acetanilide@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well fuck. Thank you. Guess i need to change browsers. Any recs or is firefox best?

[–] goji@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ungoogled Chromium is my current favourite

Previously was using Firefox Developer’s edition which is also decent. But I like a minimalist browser that acts more like a framework to which I can just add what I want, and doesn’t come with a lot of bullshit I don’t need.

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[–] harry_assman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

You can try Librewolf. It is a firefox fork with focus on privacy. You do not need to go through many settings when setting it up, as you need to do with firefox standalone.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 years ago

I liked Brave for a while. But slowly things just started to feel sketchy to me. Their weird insistence on putting their crypto bullshit and wallet services in your face. I just felt like, "I want a browser. Can't you just be a fucking browser?" At a certain point adding all these other 'services' they just end up just a weird-ass money making scheme, like they're two steps away from using my computer for crypto mining.

[–] DeadGemini@waveform.social 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

tsk tsk tsk. When will people learn to just use Firefox or Librewolf? Do you want a web browser, or an AI training crypto wallet?

[–] zingo@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I read ya.

I was always skeptical about Brave with their side projects of crypto etc. Its funny because privacytools.io recommends them till this day.

I have been using Librewolf for some time now and I am happy with it.

[–] ward2k@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

privacytools.io is no longer the recommended one since the mod/domain owner split a long while ago, it now heavily endorses ads (such as nordvpn) you instead should use

https://www.privacyguides.org/en/tools/

Brave still is a great browser just disable a few settings as recommended in the guide

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[–] federal_explorer@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This not exclusive to brave, AI copyright is still not clear. Bing and others like Bard are doing the same.

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Yeah and I expect it from those companies. I guess I was naive enough to think Brave would be better than this.

But then I didn't know about Eich's homophobia, antivaxx beliefs and basic awfulness either (as mentioned in the link u/Xaeris mentions.)

[–] federal_explorer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Honestly I don't care about his political beliefs, and Brave search is the only competitve independent search engine out there, it's genuinely a joy to use. Until AI crawling gets banned they aren't doing anything wrong.

Brave continues to be the best mainstream private browser, backed by actions instead of empty words like Firefox.

[–] sangle_of_flame@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

you know that this "I don't care that this person holds bigoted beliefs and thinks that some people shouldn't have rights, they make the good computer program so who cares" attitude is why so many people think that tech guys are reactionary, right?

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[–] leraje@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

You don't think there's anything wrong with selling you the 'rights' to other people's content?

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[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

I guess the crypto stuff along with the ads just made me not at all shocked by this. Not that I think it's a bad browser, since I've had people I tried to explain addons too who found it too confusing so needed an out the box built in solution. But, Firefox continues to be my go to for years and years.

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[–] echo@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 years ago

the shady world of brave

[–] nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Whelp that’s it I’m going to Firefox. That’s all I needed to see

Edit: annnd uninstalled. That’s all she wrote

[–] guckfoogle@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago

Lol isn't that what all these ai chatbots are doing?

[–] Poob@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Well fuck, what am I supposed to use? I use bitwarden for passwords, so that shit works everywhere, but I want a mobile browser and a desktop browser that share history. Being able to share tabs between devices is a nice bonus.

Firefox on mobile is hot garbage with infuriating UI bugs. I keep trying to switch to it, and keep switching away after a few days.

I'm sure as shit not going to Chrome.

[–] UlrikHD@programming.dev 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What issues are you encountering on android Firefox? I've used Firefox + ublock for years and I don't think I have ever encountered an issue that was fixed by using chrome instead.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 13 points 2 years ago

I've never had any big problems with Firefox Android either. I do prefer the Fennec branch though, since it's on F-Droid and has about:config

[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I use Firefox on iOS and grapheneOS and it works fine. UI is not as nice as others but it works. Never seen bugs personally ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't Firefox on iOS essentially a skinned Safari? Unless Apple has changed their stance, I thought all browsers had to use webkit?

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[–] zingo@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago
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[–] ImmaculateTaint@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Is this only referring to the Brave search engine?

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago
[–] CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But it is designed by their company. Their products represent their leadership.

Firefox and DDG for me.

[–] utopianrevolt@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I honestly just started cracking up after seeing DDG mentioned after those initial 2 sentences.

DuckDuckGo does not care about your privacy. Switch to SearX, StartPage, or Kagi.

[–] glacier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago

What makes you say DDG does not care about privacy?

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[–] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Does anyone have another Chromium browser recommendation for Android?

[–] sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Idk why you want to go with chromium based, firefox got mobile extensions!

Ublock origin on the go

[–] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
  • On Android, Firefox lacks per-site process isolation, which makes it less secure than Chromium browsers (not insecure, just less secure.)
  • With privacy.resistFingerprinting on, Firefox on Android is stuck at 60hz, which I don't like.
  • There is a noticeable difference in performance between Firefox and Chromium. Firefox is consistently slower when loading webpages, which you notice after using Chromium.

Don't get me wrong, I like Firefox. I use LibreWolf on desktop. I just can't justify using it on Android, at least not yet. Guess I'll go back to using Vanadium.

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[–] RustyOperator@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd like to shout out Mull (Firefox based) and Mulch (Chrome based) web browsers. They are basically more secure and private versions of those app and they maintained by the devs of DivestOS which is the privacy Android OS that is recommended for devices that aren't Pixels.

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