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Is ProtonVPN worth it?

@piracy

Got reminded of this while reading about ProtonMail. The reason I haven't gotten into proper #piracy is that I don't have a VPN for torrenting, and the reason I don't have a VPN is that I don't #torrent. So it would be nice if I got a good VPN while #degoogling myself.

Will ProtonVPN rat me out to Comcast? I know some VPNs don't hide what you're downloading from your ISP, for reasons I don't fully understand.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ProtonVPN is a no log VPN according to their privacy policy: https://protonvpn.com/privacy-policy

They have servers specifically for port forwarding and P2P traffic. I use them and I haven't gotten a DMCA request yet so 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

They have servers specifically for port forwarding and P2P traffic

Sadly with Mullvad closing port forwarding, they are one of the only ones you can torrent with. In all honesty, if it's torrenting setting up a seedbox is really the way to go.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Air vpn too. I had a bit of back and forth swapping between proton and air vpn after Mullvad closing port forwarding. Protons spilt tunnelling is far better than air vpn, but their speeds were appalling so eventually I stuck with air vpn with a script to divert only the torrent traffic through the vpn. Man do I miss Mullvad!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I've been enjoying the fact that airvpn let's you open 5 ports, haven't had any issues with them after my first few months.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

Proton is very well known to be the best vpn privacy whise. They went to swiss federal court against the state to not keep network logs for their vpn, i‘d say it‘s very trustworthy

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've been torrenting with Proton VPN for years. No problems. Well, one problem when using Linux because the app didn't support port forwarding but I think they fixed that. Anyway, no issues on Windows.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@akilou good to know about the Linux, I am a Linux user

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is lemmy. That's a given at this point lol.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Op is actually on mastadon. Still the fediverse, so the Linux rule still applies imo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Last I checked the Flatpak is an old version of Proton VPN. Look up how to get the beta release for your distro to get the latest features.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The new app only officially supports limited distributions (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora). The CLI isn't updated to v4 yet. You can still connect to the VPN by downloading the config files (OpenVPN or Wireguard) and connecting through, e.g., wg-quick https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-vpn-setup/

It's weird, because despite not having port forwarding on Linux I've never had any problems torrenting.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

And in case anyone wonders, it works fine in BSD as well. I have a jail with rTorrent which is locked to the VPN connection and uses a cronjob to keep port forwarding active 🙂.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you are using Linux don't use the GUI app. It will lock up and leak past a killswitch.

The CLI app works ok. It annoyingly has issues reconnecting on reboot without disabling and renabling the killswitch. Sometimes it works, other times not.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You don't have to use any software from Proton VPN, they will allow you to download openvpn and wireguard config files so you can set up your own client. Takes some more effort to do it right, yes, but its a good option if you're up for it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

What i found to work the best is to generate and download a config file, then import it into NetworkManager. There's a plugin for wireguard here: https://github.com/max-moser/network-manager-wireguard

This way, it's easy to add routes, autostart, etc. But I don't think a safe killswitch is possible.

Edit: But since this is a piracy community, i should mention that qbittorrent has a setting for specifying the network interface, so it's easy to force it to use the vpn connection only, in place of a killswitch.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't know if this just got initially deleted or whatever, but I use wireguard with a "custom" plan on windscribe, and it's like $1/month. IPs are shared among hundreds of users and they keep no identifying logs.

I use a split tunnel on the vanilla wireguard client, so I'm not using anything from windscribe software-wise; and I set my torrent client to only use the ethernet device for the tunnel. So no need to worry about kill switches or leaking shit when the VPN drops.

Also -- I've tested the Wireguard connection on Windscribe and it easily handles 1gb upload/download.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

@thantik yeah that was me. I prefer to keep my Mastodon stuff and Lemmy stuff separate. What happened was that I initially posted this from Lemmy, realized I would rather post this from Mastodon, and deleted the first one so there wouldn't be duplicates. I wasn't trying to gaslight you and you didn't do anything wrong.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Just putting out there that AirVPN has been perfect for me for several years now. No issues.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

If you're getting protonmail anyway the bundle is worth it. You can use their client software or native wireguard. I personally use AirVPN, run by an activist group. Their website isn't shiny, but the VPN works great and has port forwarding which is really good for torrent connectivity.

I don't think with the Swiss privacy laws governing Proton you don't have to worry about them ratting to Comcast

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I am pretty happy with them so far.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I don't really pirate anymore, but have been using ProtonMail, Proton Calendar and ProtonVPN for a few years on pure privacy grounds, and generally really like it. Their apps have gotten more stable over time and their bona fides are solid (actually fighting against subpoenas, etc).

They are actively improving things like calendar invites and integration in their suite of apps. Between that and ente for photo storage I've mostly degoogled myself over the last couple years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I’ve been using it for torrenting and it works well. I have no complaints. I think it’s less if you buy by the year rather than monthly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

What do you torrent? I set up real-debrid and usenet and literally do not use any torrent sites anymore whatsoever. Everything I download is downloaded at my max bandwidth. I'd recommend spending the money on that setup instead. VPNs are overpriced for what they offer.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

You realize this still exposes the fact you are visiting piracy sites?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait how do you download stuff without torrenting?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

you can use a debrid service such as real debrid to basically have them dl the torrent and then send you a direct dl link (simplfied explanation). I mainly use real debrid through stremio or kodi addons for streaming shows or movies without torrenting

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I have proton unlimited and it's well worth it imo. With it you get simplelogin premium for free and all the proton stuff with 500gb e2ee cloud storage (which I haven't used too much). It's just a really well put together ecosystem and I'm glad to support them. Also, black friday is coming up and iirc they usually do sales right about then.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From what I've heard ProtonVPN isn't really recommended. Use Mullvad or use AirVPN if you need port forwarding. (Mullvad removed port forwarding a few months ago).

If you are just using a VPN for pirating then I would just spend that VPN money on a seedbox.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

From what I’ve heard ProtonVPN isn’t really recommended.

Why? You can't attack something like that. At least say what you've heard.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I've never heard about arguments against ProtonVPN. Could you elaborate?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Proton VPN I found not good for streaming sites. Considering the forum we are on, I doubt that is a primary requirement here but it was unstable and regularly detected by the streaming sites. The stream kept getting buffering issues and the only way to fix it was a series of restarting and refreshing different things and trying different servers. Support just pushes you through a flowchart of settings questions when really their service should just work properly

It was a pretty disappointing experience considering I actually forked out money for it (not the free tier)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Works great and supports port forwarding. VPNs don't rat you out to comcast, they'd lose all their customers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

ProtonVPN, NordVPN and Private Internet Access (pia) will pass pretty much every privacy requirement, but if you have a specific requirement there are plenty of comparison charts.

Private Internet Access is capped at 10mbps but it's the best client and user experience.

ProtonVPN: cancelling was a terrible experience, their client was okay but regularly kill switched. Proton also offers a bundle with email that could be worthwhile

NordVPN: I can not remotely recommend then. In my first 3 months I leaked my IP twice because their VPN client will auto disconnect itself if Internet is disconnected and retrying fails. So if there is an outage, when you reconnect are not protected. You do not want that, because their virtual NIC is insanely unstable and disconnected on 2 separate devices twice a day. In order to cancel you have to talk to support who has a 3 day turn around for tickets and will try to do anything to extend your service past the 30 days they offer a refund. Their entire ToS is fuck you, we don't refund, guarantee uptime, or security.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You can always bind your torrent client to the tunnel, so there will be no leak without a connection. Also, nordvpn has a Killswitch, which can terminate any program you want, if the VPN is disconnected.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PIA were taken over by a very dodgy company a couple of years ago, I don't recommend people use them.

"Who knows what a company that had hidden malware in their software in the past is capable of today"

https://www.vpnranks.com/blog/kape-acquires-private-internet-access/

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