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Neo-Nazis are showing up at protests in an attempt to push anti-Jewish conspiracy theories and tropes into the mainstream.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If anyone thinks this is a unique situation - this has happened so many times. The easiest example is the Nazis, or the "national socialists" because socialism was popular back then so they used the term despite starting with killing union workers and leftists.

Vincent Bevins talks in depth about this in his book If We Burn, where he discusses why (certain) protests fail by going through real life examples of movements that were hijacked by right wing extremists. This is not new or novel, this is going by the playbook on how to fight against movements that ask for justice, peace, more democracy, economic equality, and so forth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, the Nazis didn’t just randomly co-opt that term, they were the result of a merger of two different political parties, one far right and the other far right but with some ✨ socialist characteristics ✨ (if you’re ethnically German). On the Night of the Long Knives, all of the socialist-leaning elements of the new NSDAP were murdered in cold blood by the SS.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Neo-nazis and far right wingnuts have 2 brain cells, and if any one of those scumbags could see beyond their noses they'd know they're too stupid to have any power.

Proof comes from watching the GOP flush America down the toilet.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

... too stupid to have any power.

The American Fascist Party controls the House of Representatives. Their criminal Dear Leader is going to get the nomination to be their candidate for President. And if he doesn't win, they will respond with violence.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

And if he doesn’t win, they will respond with violence.

I sure hope that violence monopoly that the legal government wields can be used for good also. They were a bit lackluster on Jan 6th but perhaps they learned something there.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

They were a bit lackluster on Jan 6th but perhaps they learned something there.

They weren't "lackluster" on Jan 6th - they simply treated that white supremacist lynch mob the way the US has always treated white supremacist lynch mobs... with kid gloves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Um. They absolutely did but not what you wish they did.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they’re too stupid to have any power.

This is the kind of naive bullshit that keeps people complacent until they suddenly find themselves being marched off to the showers.

They are not stupid; they are an existential threat. Quit underestimating them!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are not stupid; they are an existential threat. Quit underestimating them!

Actually, the person you are responding to is correct - the far-right is too incompetent to gain power on their own. Power has to be handed to them by liberal regimes that can't handle working-class revolt without the indiscriminate violence the far-right offers. That is why states always treat the far-right with kid gloves and allows it to fester - the ruling elites know that they might need them someday.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

...good point, actually.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They were too stupid, especially in Europe they would get so much backlash they just went back to their basements.

But over the years, they got smarter, more eloquent in how they discreetly were racist, not only against Jews, but also Muslims, Africans, Southeast Asians, everyone that's different to be honest. The latest study shows 26% of Belgium is racist.

The news also plays into that, by giving up the DESCENT of a perpetrator, instead of his/her Belgian ID. Mostly for crimes not terrorism related. Day in day out, this black man hit his wife, this Turkish guy did that, ...

They never call them Belgians. If the perpetrator is a brown man born and raised here, his parents were born and raised here, but one of his grandfathers was from Morocco, Turkey, etc... They still describe him like 'a 23 year old Belgian man of Moroccon DESCENT....' this fed into it. Every time I saw this happen, I wrote to said paper to stop doing that, unless it involves a terrorist attack against a church, mosque, Jewish temple, café, etc... Even then, if they have a Belgian ID, they should still be described as Belgian guy with ideological differences...

Any news about Muslim girls harassed, assaulted, gangraped by Nazis was en still is getting downplayed and we're made out to be liars. It won't see the press. It still happens to this day.

Also, the latest I've seen is them discussing on certain forums whether it would be better for the 'protection' of Muslims (to start with) if they would put them in concentration camps? This one made me sick and I'm letting all my Belgian friends know that this is going on and fortunately everyone was outraged. But also, they have their heads in their asses, they even don't follow the news, because they can't do anything about it.

But someone has to know and do something. I'm thinking about compiling a list of all the forums i've seen this talked about and send them to every press agency, every community leader, also our new immigrant centers where there are a lot of young people, so they know not to engage and/or associate with these people and be educated against Nazi's.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I wonder what rock youve been living under that the far right doesnt hold any power.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

And the speaker of the House is .. ?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Most of them are too stupid to hold power, but there are enough smart but evil ones that it doesn't matter much.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think it would be a good look to balance pro-Palestine demonstrations with anti-Nazi symbolism.

Would be funny to watch 'journalists' report on the Nazis in a protest when there are more people with anti-Nazi gear.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Couldn't they just report that Nazis and anti-Nazis are pro-Palestine?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Couldn’t they just report that Nazis and anti-Nazis are pro-Palestine?

Didn't you read this part?

“Nine out of ten of them would probably happily commit a hate crime against anyone [at the pro-Palestine protest].”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure what that changes

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That'd be a pretty weird report, but sure.

They can report anything.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure what would be weird about it if it was what literally happening. How would you report it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All they need is one guy with a nazi flag and they can say everyone there is complicit. And they can bring their own nazi to model for them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I mean, they don't even need that.

They can say whatever they want, lol.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

Shocking absolutely nobody

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is kind of funny to see the nazis who hate muslims more than jews and those who hate jews more than muslims go against each other

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

As a Jew.....none of this is funny.

There was a hate crime down the street from me, a young girl was followed home from a peace rally and her house was shot up.

This shit needs to stop. Islamophobia and Anti Semitism should not and cannot be tolerated as an outgrowth of this war.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Palestinians, antizionists, and their allies are some of the best prepared to counter antisemitic infiltration.

Having to build a movement that has to tiptoe around an opponent who will use every minor mistake or misunderstanding to conflate you with a Nazi (see Greta Thunberg's octopus plushie drama) really gives you a crash course on Judaism and antisemitic tropes.

Plus, one of the most popular fronts within Antizionism are the Jewish anti-zionists! I've learned more about the history of Judaism, the shoah, and the legacy of Jewish resistance to apartheid thanks to antizionists that is have never learned otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately, it's already working on people susceptible to that sort of broad, hateful messaging. Eerie to see how easily people are taken over and recruited into the same sort of things that happened up to, during, and after Kristallnacht. And it's working worldwide. It's scary to see young people, even 21 year olds, getting arrested for posting threats that they will murder all their Jewish classmates at college. 5:33 in the news: https://youtu.be/K1wP1oPkzok?si=oCg67zMcPucRblaq

People are extremely vulnerable to it, especially without a strong grasp of world history.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Trumps “very fine people”

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Too many brown, jews and leftist people in Palestinian protests. They won't like it there.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

The thing about Nazis (and other flavors of racist shitbags if anyone wants to play the "well akshually they're not Nazis, theyre..." game) is they don't care, they'll pretend to be reasonable, break bread with their enemies, etc. as long as it's convenient for them. But they don't view those others as being equal human beings, so once they've accomplished whatever they set out to do, they'll turn on them as soon as they think they have the upper hand without a moment's hesitation.

That's the Nazi playbook and always has been. You can see it happen in WWII, you can see it in the lunatic fringe taking over the Republican party over the last century or so, it's how these types operate.

They'll happily throw their lot in with whoever is convenient to their cause in the moment, why should they care? They're just planning on turning on them down the road anyway, hell, it probably even gets them a better look at how these temporary allies/future targets for extermination operate and gets them in closer for when they eventually make their move against them.

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