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[–] [email protected] 203 points 2 years ago (14 children)

I know it's a shipost and this meme is at least 15 years old. But meat, cheese, and white bread (especially the ones in the US with added sugar) were never healthy

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Since when is meat unhealthy?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Although high in nutrients, the difficulty in digestion makes it a carciogen. Particularly red meat - bird and fish (pre omnipresent plastics and heavy metals) are relatively healthier.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fr meat is the reason we have big brain.

Now if you wanna argue that we should have never left the trees and created civilization then you may have a point.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The dose is the poison. Meat in the amount we consume today is unhealthy. In the past people didn't eat meat every day or even close to it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That doesn’t inherently make it unhealthy. We have the means to not have to eat the animals we slaughter immediately due to refrigeration.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

The frequency and serving sizes are what make it unhealthy. Coupled with an increasingly sedentary lifestyle and one of the best/easiest decisions you can make to improve your health is to cut back on meat, especially processed meat products. Proccessed meat is definitely, 100% unhealthier than cuts from your local butcher.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Specially processed meat, cheese and bread. In the case of fast food these ingredients are basically "hacked" to make us crave more and consume more. These industries have "food scientists" working on exactly that.

Meat, cheese and bread in their more natural form is definitely healthy when consumed in moderation.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I am extremely sure if you make a burger by yourself with good ingredients it will be just as healthy.

Beware of the added sugars in things that aren't supposed to have that much sugar.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

*calling meat, cheese, and bread healthy*

wow that food pyramid propaganda really did a number on you all didnt it.

Edit: im talking about the meat and dairy industies lobbying too, not just bread

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

It seems odd putting meat in the same category as bread.

In terms of pure health, there's not much out there better than most meats. Yes, beef is a bit lower than pork and chicken, but properly portioned (looking at most of us Americans) it has very few downsides.

Bread on the other hand can be one of the worst foods we can eat. Of course, it is still all about moderation.

EDIT: Why the reddit-like downvotes folks? There's really no cohesive argument that puts meat below bread healthwise in most situations. If you want to avoid meat, avoid meat. If you want to be morally opposed to anyone eating meat, so be it. Facts are still facts and misinformation isn't the right way to fight that battle.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Bread can be healthy, just make sure it's wholegrain. Read meat is acosiates with bad health outcomes..

But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Of course. The unhealthiness of food is an emergent property arising from the arrangement of their constituents components relative to each other. The next time you have a burger and want to be healthy, just take it apart! Taps head

In all seriousness, for anyone confused by this, whether or not something is healthy for you is all about quantities and ratios. Specifically, that of your diet as a whole, not of individual items. So while I don't agree with this sentiment, burgers can be considered unhealthy because:

  • There is very little vegetables in relation to meat and bread
  • It is very calorically dense
  • Red meat is considered by many to be unhealthy in its own right, and burgers tend to have a lot of that
  • It is usually consumed with large portions of fries and drinks or other sides that are also very calorically dense with little diversity in micronutrients
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I'm sick of people claiming calorie dense food is unhealthy. It's not. Calories are required for your body to function. An adult needs 2000kcal per day; whether they are spread out over 8 meals or 3 makes no difference. Eating the amount of calories of a hamburger every day is nothing special, especially if you do sports regularly.

This comment was made by the <20 BMI gang.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Only thing wrong with calorie dense food is that people eat too much. Guess you could add ignorance in there as well. Pretty shocking when you look at the numbers on the menu.

Not that people actually look. They got every excuse in the world for being fat, except the big one, placing calories in their mouth.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Coming from the >30 BMI gang, a lot of the food in the West (especially the United States but a lot of other countries are having this problem too) has a shit-ton of calories and very few other nutrients. That's the biggest problem with caloric density, when food has a lot of calories and no nutrients it encourages either obesity or nutrient deficits.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Additionally, eight ounces of steak might be lean. (It also might not, of course.) Eight ounces of hamburger, especially one from a fast food restaurant, is absolutely not lean beef.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

I always thought it was the proportions that weren't healty. You get 50% bread, 50% meat, with a tiny slice of lettuce in the middle.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's really not the burger that's unhealthy, but the fries and soda you get with them

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ratios and amount are the most important thing in healthy eating. For reference, vegetables should be more than half your food intake, the rest split between whole-grain carbs and protein (either meat or plant based) in order to be healthy. And we need to pay attention to how much total food we eat too since our monkey brains that evolved under extreme food scarcity don't do a good job of moderating nutrient input.

No I can't keep myself to that either.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

I'm fat by nature (and environment) so I have examined and tried many diets, and I think I can only say for sure a few thing about healthiness of diets:

  • if you eat carbs, fats beyond what is necessary to eat, are unhealthy
  • If you don't eat carbs you need to eat fats, some fats are better than others
  • If you don't eat carbs and you don't eat fats you starve - to thin then to death
  • Sugar is unhealthy and wrecks your teeth
  • Highly processed foods are not healthy
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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

White bread, cheese (at least not the one on burgers) and red meat aren’t exactly known as healthy foods. Definitely not in the proportions of a burger. Even more definitely not when you boil the meat in oil (often together with the onions).

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Replace meat with bean burger

Replace cheese with guacamole or other sauce

Replace white bread with whole grain bread

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Step one is to ask yourself what you think healthy means. Generally it's used as a catch-all by people to justify whatever shitty diet they have.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I think it's because of the quality of the ingredients. If you make a burger with homegrown vegetables and high-quality meat it would be healthy

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's really only unhealthy if you're eating that every time you eat. And mostly what makes it unhealthy is the fat/lean ratio. Hamburgers usually use fattier hamburger. You can make them with leaner meat tho. They just don't taste nearly as good.

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