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[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, you anti-genocidal fucks.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How dare you support not killing people en masse? Monsters

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure do king.....I'll leave your bathroom now.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oh you’re leaving, then I’m leaving the bathroom closet as well

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess I'll leave the bathroom vent then

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't mind me, I'll stay a little longer

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Even completely ignoring all the history of the region and how the current State of Israel came to be and only focusing on the present in a vacuum, there is still is a glaring contradiction that I have never heard any sort of coherent answer from people who support Israel’s actions: If you truly believe that simply having a negative opinion of Israel’s actions against Palestinians is antisemitic (or simply being a Palestinian that’s still alive is antisemitic according to too many people), then surely it also holds that both Israel’s outright killing of Palestinians and their ongoing apartheid policies preventing Palestinians from existing in the same areas as Israelis is anti-Arab right? Is being anti-Arabic somehow preferable to being antisemitic? Are Arabs not human beings and do they not deserve the same rights and protection as Jews or literally any other human? What makes it okay for Israel to be anti-Arab then?

One of the half baked arguments I have heard is that Israel is "justified" in being anti-Arabic because "it's in self defense against Palestinians that want to kill them," but if you make that assertion, then what makes the other side different? Israel is certainly not just attacking the Hamas and there have been more Palestinian civilian victims than Israeli civilian victims so wouldn't you saying that also automatically imply the inverse and equally justify the Hamas' actions against Israel? You can't attack someone while claiming self defense and then cry foul when they defend themselves against you.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is committing a genocide. - At best, one would have to concede they're killing thousands of children to get at a handful of Hamas members. If you call it antisemitic to point that out, you're saying genocidal kid-killing is inherent to Israelis - which is about as antisemitic as it gets, and a damn good justification for wiping Israel off the map. It's a moronic,monstrous line to push.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

(Not disagreeing, but offering a bit more insight)

To be fair, what the IDF is doing is hard. Fighting irregular forces in dense urban environments is hard, especially with their opponents having hundreds of underground bunkers and using civilian shields. Even if they were operating under best practice, there would be a lot of civilian casualties.

However, they aren't operating under best practices. I don't know how the average IDF soldier feels, but the top brass at best doesn't give a shit if they kill a hundred palestinian civilians per one Hamas member; At worst, they see this conflict as an excuse to actively target them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Between the genocidal rhetoric of Israeli leadership, the fact that Israel propped up Hamas over the PLO, and the fact that the casualty stats are squarely in line with the broader civilian population, what makes you think any attempt is being made to avoid civilian casualties?

Hamas and combatatant-aged men aren't over-represented in the casualty stats - this is just an indiscriminate genocide they've been clearly signalling they intend to commit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

what makes you think any attempt is being made to avoid civilian casualties?

they aren't operating under best practices.

I don't

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

ya, but Israeli are white, those other sub humans are brown you fool./s

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You jest, but Israel also has a long history of discrimination against non-Ashkenazi Jewish people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

jest? about the people forcefully sterilized Ethiopian Jews that moved to Israel?

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[–] samokosik 5 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Okay, so I have a few points: If some people say that disagreeing with Israel is anti-semitic, they are just wrong. I myself know a lot of Jews who disagree with the current Netanyahu's government's actions (so do I) and they are definitely not anti-semitic. It’s definitely valid to point out Israel's mistakes in this conflict (e.g. occupation of the west bank, radical opinions of some politicians such as throwing a nuclear bomb onto gaza, etc.). No one can call you anti-semitic for that. However, if you support Hamas in their mission and call for the removal of the state of Israel, it can be considered anti-semitic because you practically ask for killing millions of Jews.

You have also mentioned that Israel is anti-Arab which is not true. Currently fifth of the population is Arab and they have exactly the same rights as Jews. Also I don't understand how Israel is apartheid. The people who are supposed to be oppressed are literally under a different authority. That’s like saying France is apartheid because Germans do not have the same rights in France as French people have

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You seem to misunderstand the Israeli occupation of Palestine. The West Bank is very much governed by the IDF and they treat Jews differently than non Jews. The IDF can legally detain Palestinians for up to 6 months without charges while being required to defend settlers who attack and harass Palestinians. They undermine the Palestinian Authority and override their supposed authority all the time. Gaza is more of an open air prison as people can't leave. The reason Israel doesn't occupy Gaza is because they did in the past and it was uneconomical.

There are a ton of people who basically paint all pro Palestinian groups and protests as antisemitic, from the ADL to Israeli lobbyists. These people are totally unreasonable and have a large amount of influence. "Opposing Israel's actions = anti-Zionism = antisemitism," isn't the fringe narrative it should be. At the same time, there are braindead so called, "leftists," who can't comprehend that both Netanyahu's government and Hamas are genocidal theocratic fascists. They're also frustrating as fuck and cannot be tolerated. Far too many have lost their minds and morals over this conflict.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They censoring the word Israel now? Wild.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only those posts they suspect will be taken down automatically

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where? Here? Wait, does lemmy have auto content removal?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chances are this was not created for lemmy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

E. Fair enough. Didn't really consider that. Haven't used other social media for a while now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Why? And why is it half assed?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Circlejerk rather than shitpost.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It is interesting how split opinions are here. Young democrats are more pro Palestine, older Dems are more pro Israel (although a little harsh). Republicans think Israel is doing the right thing.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (7 children)

You really need to understand that there is a waaay bigger political spectrum than "Democrats" and "Republicans". Especially when it comes to foreign policy.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Young democrats are more pro-dont-commit-war-crimes whatever the history, older dems are disensitized by war-crimes and obsessed with anti-terrorism.

Republicans love the war machine and think that genocide/wiping out the opposing side is the only way to resolve anything.

Biden is trying to put on his best dem face while attempting to also maintain control over nuclear proliferation in the middle east. There's only 1 party when it comes to global control, and this exposed it clearly. Democratic or Republican presidents, they all answer to the Generals in the end.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (18 children)

The hubris and the gall of those crazy leftists, they don't want dead babies what monsters!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Not leaning; they’ve fallen over

[–] samokosik 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, leaning. Basically the current government is supporting right wing orientation which can be quite extreme.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're fascist, not leaning.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The government sure, but when saying "Israel leans right" you mean all of israel. The population tends right in their political leanings. Currently, fascists hold power, but Israel as a whole is not fascist.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Fair point!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

To the leftist who is stunned by this message:

Think of Jordan Peterson. There was a time where he was riled up against “ideologies who would kill people in the name of a higher good.” And he named examples, Stalin and Mao most prominently. For all the abstract criticisms of ideologies, he rarely distances himself from Fascism, named Hitler only very occasionally as an example.

Now he is forethinker for the Republican Fascist party which is now normalizing the exact dehumanizing language that the Nazis used to prepared and justify their concentration camps.

Antifascists caught his thought patterns early on and warned of him using fascist arguments much more sensitive than most people, the missing distancing from Hitler along his other prominent examples being one of them.

Now, dear leftists, the mirror of this arguments wants to ask you if you are really only motivated by reducing human suffering and wanting peace. And if so, you cannot ignore the role of Hamas in this longtime ongoing conflict nor in this war. If you skip that, if that’s not in your mirror, it’s big time necessary to go outside your bubble. Because then chances are you are a puppet playing the propaganda trumpet for the Hamas, or otherwise playing in their hands.

Tedious as it may be, missing distance to a terrorist group like that in a conflict like that is a big red flag.

And just as a tedious albeit necessary disclaimer, I believe Netanyahu and quite a bunch of other Israeli actors belong in a courtroom and then in jail for their atrocities, and certainly not in power.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And if so, you cannot ignore the role of Hamas in this longtime ongoing conflict nor in this war.

Israel created Hamas, because they wanted to destabilize the PLO and Fatah. They continue to recruit more people for Hamas by killing fathers, wives, and children indiscriminately. Israel's only path forward is genocide--either literal, or through the absolute destruction of Palestinian identity--much like we did in the US to the Native Americans.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

A hard look, you say?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I look fantastic, at peace with myself, and pacifist, as I work for a world without conflict.

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