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[–] [email protected] 175 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Intrusive thoughts are terrifying. It's a testament to our collective willpower that we haven't horrifically murdered each other.

Also, I'm really glad the phrase "intrusive thoughts" came along. It made the whole thing a lot easier to talk about.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Collective willpower? Or centuries worth of social contract? Humans are kind of just animals who can predict the future by writing down the past.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

I've had some pretty nasty intrusive thoughts. I'd like to believe it's more than just social conditioning that kept them under wraps. But maybe.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

I'm sorry if this sounds callous but I utterly disregard your notion with predjudice.

They aren't intrusive thoughts, they're just your thoughts, stop being afraid of thinking.

Now if you lack impulse control, then we have a problem.

Edit: We need a new term for the phobia of imagination and thought. I suggest Thinkophobia.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Not all thoughts are consciously summoned, wanted, or pleasant. The term intrusive thoughts is a good way to describe those thoughts we find unpleasant. Yes, they are natural and normal, and often how we grapple with and process experiences, but that doesn't make them unobtrusive.

Additionally, many people have intrusive recollections of upsetting events from the past. Intrusive thoughts is a good descriptor that helps avoid over using terms like flashbacks or PTSD.

Clarifying such things as intrusive helps destigmatize these thoughts for people who have them and feel the weight of social expectations, like new parents as in the comic. Feeling guilty about having these thoughts isn't healthy, and properly describing them as unwanted helps people process them. I don't see what is particularly objectionable or hard to understand about the term and why being more specific in the description of one thoughts is off-putting to you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Not all thoughts are consciously summoned, wanted, or pleasant. The term intrusive thoughts is a good way to describe those thoughts we find unpleasant.

I am not emotionally disturbed by my 'intrusive thoughts' because they have as much bearing on reality as whether I like the smell of burnt toast. They are also my thoughts, I take full ownership of them, they aren't something that happens to me they're something I do.

Clarifying such things as intrusive helps destigmatize these thoughts for people who have them and feel the weight of social expectations

I don't see what is particularly objectionable or hard to understand about the term and why being more specific in the description of one thoughts is off-putting to you.

I'm disheartened by the fact that people feel they need to thought police themselves for the benefit of a society that will never engage with those figments of their imaginations.

That is legitimately depressing and I feel sorry for those people. I wish them the best in developing more significant and functional mental fortitude. Sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn't my intention.

Edit: downvotes for caring, love the hypocrisy of this place sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Everyone is different, and life is path dependent. Some people don't struggle with difficult memories, and others have simply not lived an unpleasant enough life to have accrued the emotional scars.

However, being blatantly brusque in your description of others followed by "sorry if I offended" is the epitome of ringing hollow. At least be honest; you don't care if you offended others.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

You’re not being downvoted for “caring”, you’re being downvoted for sounding like condescending, pompous arse. If you’re not purposefully trying to be a dick, you might want to try developing your empathy skills. And ditch the non-apologies, they just make you seem even more disingenuous.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think a good term for what you defined in your edit might be "intrusive thoughts"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

If everyone has them it's not a phobia, it's a condition of consciousness. The phobia is being irrationally afraid of your perfectly normal condition. Which if you think you're own thoughts are intruding on you, you may have.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (21 children)

They are intrusive thoughts, because that's the phrase that was coined to describe these types of thoughts. Sometimes we come up with specific phrases in order to describe more specific concepts.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (14 children)

There absolutely are intrusive thoughts. Two examples:

Once in a long while, I'll be talking to a black person and I'll think of the N-word. It will just pop into my head for a split second and I'll think "oh my god, no!" and it will be gone. I've never said that word out loud, I've never thought of anyone black that way, and I certainly don't want to think of anyone that way. It's not a thought I meant to have or even a thought that would ever represent how I felt. It isn't even a thought that is pointed with malice at the person I was talking to. It's literally just "N-word" and it's gone. It's purely unconscious and intrusive racism that I think is just part of being white.

Every so often, I'll be talking to a couple I know and imagine them fucking. Just for a split second again. I don't want to imagine them fucking. It's not titillating to me. I don't get a rise out of it. I don't fantasize about it later. But just for a moment, I imagine what it would be like if my perceptive versions of them fucked. We won't even be talking about anything remotely sexual. But sex is part of the human condition and sometimes we have unconscious, intrusive thoughts about sex.

I don't think either of these will lead me to murder. In fact, in general, I don't have violent thoughts, not even intrusive ones. But it could lead me to other atrocious behavior if I dwell on those thoughts and if I let them become more than momentarily intrusive. It's not being afraid of thinking them, it's not wanting to think of them and doing my best to will any such thoughts that stray out of my head as quickly as I can. Because those thoughts are not thoughts I want to have about people. I don't care if I don't act on them either. I don't want to think that about any black people I ever encounter in my life. I don't want to think that about any couples who I know. But sometimes those thoughts just pop into my head and I can't help it. But I can help moving past them as fast as I possibly can so they don't end up accumulating and turning me into a person I don't want to be.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I would like to believe that despite it is hard for most people not to have intrusive thoughts, it is much easier not to act on them.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 years ago (1 children)

our brains run simulations of awful situations all the time as a diagnostic self-test system. The fact that we recoil in revulsion from destructive intrusive thoughts is a sign that we are still at least nominally sane. Those who yearn for peace prepare for war. Likewise, those who care for their loved ones prepare to face terrible events that might befall them.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 years ago (5 children)

"why yes indeed brain, it would fucking suck if i jumped off this cliff, thank you for verifying that even if i had no plans of doing so anyways.."

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These urges are what the Chao garden in sonic adventure was made for.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The call of the void. I think?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Seems similar enough. I thought it was more for random suicidal thoughts than ending someone else.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Borderline c/LemmyBeWholesome

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have these kinds of thought all the time lol

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

Shin Sekai Yori is an light novel / anime about what happens when these thoughts have power and how a society might develop to control the destructive consequences of said thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Someone learned about intrusive thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Intrusive thoughts like that must be human nature. I doubt there is a single person who has never had a single thought about something like that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Unless you are in psychosis and then the intrusive thoughts win 😭

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Lol my mom and I have OCD. She's got a bit of this type, fortunately mine is a bit more of the I really really love filing and collecting things (data hoarding) borderline autistic type.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I have this all the time with my daughter and it scares me.

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