Italy is the first nation in the world to be safe from the social and economic risks of synthetic food
more like the only nation to consider all cultivated meat a problem and prohibit it instead of regulating it.
this post was submitted on 30 Nov 2023
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social and economic risks of synthetic food
yeah 2 things humans just will never solve for, better shut it down. shut it all down.
It's funny how you can replace synthetic food in that sentence with almost anything and it makes as much sense as the original sentence.
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Fake news. There's a proposal from March, it is not a law. And it's so stupid that it bans production, not import (just to fuck over an already stalling economy)
But don't spread fake news.
Edit: found article on sole24ore. You are right and our government is a bunch of retarded.
Edit2: https://www.linkiesta.it/2023/12/mattarella-legge-carne-coltivata-servira-prima-lok-dellue/ This article says that our beloved president Mattarella did not sign it and sent it to Brussel for review.
BBC article states "Italian MPs have voted to back a law banning the production, sale or import of cultivated meat or animal feed, in what the right-wing government calls a defence of Italian tradition."
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All of these links say yes, it's a law that the sale and production of synthetic meat is banned in Italy.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67448116
https://www.barrons.com/news/italy-bans-production-sale-of-lab-grown-meat-328efe2d
https://www.just-food.com/news/italys-ban-on-cultivated-meat-approved-by-lawmakers/
I'm Italian, no news is speaking about it. Last articles are from 28-29 March talking about a proposal, so not yet law.
Edit: found article on sole24ore. You are right and our government is a bunch of retarded.
So they're banning what's likely the "end all, be all" meat replacement in the (hopefully not so distant) future just so that being a "livestock farmer" remains viable?
Yes but of course. "Ban the machines that can harvest our crops, we want to keep our slaves" Its so sad to see...
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Please, non-Italians, pay attention: that has nothing to do with Italian cuisine, no chefs, traditional groups or whatsoever said anything about cultivated meat. And no dumb scientist said anything either. It's just some bigot, retrograde minister of ours.
Thanks for the insight, friend
Sorry you have that idiota
We’re a sad country
Well that's understandable. I too want my meat to have been grown in its own shit and be pumped full of antibiotics and let's not forget the secret incredient: cruelty.
Lab-grown meat is equated to synthetic ingredients and ultra-processed foods which are known to raise health problems (but are not banned, not all additives at least and not everywhere).
Considering how politics goes these days, the producers of cultivated meat just hadn't a grip on the ministry as strong as the farmer lobby. No ideological or public health reason whatsoever. And it's not Italy, it's just politics and business everywhere.
Today it's Italy's turn, maybe tomorrow someone else will be on the hot seat.
and ultra-processed foods which are known to raise health problems
The data on this are very dubious at best. Most researchers can't even agree on a definition of what they are. Corelation studies should always be taken with a grain of salt.
I wouldn't want synthetic meat unless there are strict quality standards in place
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We have a really stupid minister in charge of this stuff. And i mean it in the truest sense of the word, this guy has a room temperature iq.
Anyways, the sale ban will probably fail in court, the production ban will only harm the italian industry because sure as hell they can't stop european synthetic meat from entering the country.
Room temperature Celsius no less
We're talking Italy, so Celsius is assumed.
Yes it's stupid, yes many Italians are pissed about this too, yes this will sunk our economy even more, yey italy
Is that what the people want, or some big key to power that stands to inevitably lose out? If other countries transition out of meat livestock isn't it pointless to handicap yourself?
Italian parma ham and such is quite famous and Italians seem to take their authentic cuisine very seriously. Supposedly there afraid that low quality fake meat will overrun the current market. I imagine the meet industry there is quite powerful though so assume lobbying was part of this.
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Holsteiner Katenschinken also allows the pigs to be from anywhere, but the whole curing process has to be done in Schleswig-Holstein. They could've went ahead and said that the origin of the pigs is crucial to its quality and very likely gotten away with it, but they didn't want to -- Danish pigs are cheap and plentiful.
That Parma doesn't mandate that all the curing needs to be done there is their own fucking fault and probably greed -- of big producers, that is, more interested in cheap labour than protecting local jobs.
Honestly I wouldn't be terribly surprised if in the future you'd see lab-grown DOP Katenschinken -- the stuff has always been about the specific curing method, enabled by our microclimate. The strict ingredient and process regulations will continue (including mandating that a lot of stuff needs to be done by hand) but if synthetic raw ham achieves a quality to what they're using now heck why not.
Side note: Carbonara with Holsteiner Katenschinken and Holsteiner Tilsiter is way better than with guanciale/pancetta and pecorino. Also show me a charcoal maker who can afford fancy import ingredients, fancy local ingredients are just fine. As long as they don't include cream, that is.
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Which means if they allowed cultured meat then surely there gonna be companies trying to find the maximum legal allowed they can add to call it parma.
Honestly, i am a big fan of proper tasting cruelty free labgrown meat and i cant wait till it gets cheap. I Believe quality might succeed what the average consumer can get now. I am just putting myself in the hide of a conservative Italian lawmaker per exercise.
Reactionaries opposing technological innovations that would prevent suffering because they're not 'natural'. Color me surprised.
Italy be taking a lotta L's these days. I wonder who they will side with in WW3?
Hey now, they were on the winning side during WW1. That's something.
Hey now, they were on the winning side during WW1. That's something.
Hey now, they were on the winning side during WW1. That's something.
Italy you say? The one EU member that has repeatedly used its power to lock down ag requirements and protections for it own foods for the other member states?
The only upside is that gabbagol is delicious, and who would want to fuck that up?
It locks down names. You can produce parmisan, you can't label it "parmigiano reggiano".
I upvoted the post so others see it, but I do not like that they're banning it. That's poopy garbage ass.
Slightly off-topic, but, is there a Lemmy community for cellular agriculture, akin to r/wheresthebeef? That's one of the few remaining subreddits I haven't found a Lemmy replacement for yet.
You have piqued my interest. Is this something people do at home? Grow their own meats?
Sounds gross. I’m totally in.
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Similar thing happening Romania too, it's disheartening but in a country where the meat industry was already hit hard I can understand the economic reasons behind it, but that doesn't mean I'm a fan of it.
Of course a lot of people are also just afraid of anything synthetic and "unnatural", falling into the same category as GMOs.
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ahah why? is this a religious thing or a socio-political thing?
answer:
When the ban was proposed earlier this year, Lollobrigida had indicated that its main goal was to protect Italian farmers.
Conservatives gonna conservatise
Everything except the environment and ecosystem
No spicy cultivated meatball
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