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Wanna get even angrier? Since the cease fire was agreed, Israel released 150 Palestinian people. In that time, they have also made 133 new arrests of Palestinians for the crime of…celebrating the release of Palestinians.
If this were done by a movie villain, people would criticize it for being too cartoonishly evil and unrealistic.
Imma need a hardcore source for this. Not because I doubt it, but because I'd like to include it in an essay
Aljazeera is the first thing to pop up. You can likely use it as a jumping off point.
It's the 'arrested for celebrating' part that we want a source for and I didn't see any in this article about it. Just seems very odd Israel would admit such a thing, so if they did I want a solid source to share with others.
You could literally use google and find lots of stories talking about it. Here is a snippet from just one.
THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT narrative surrounding the Palestinian prisoners being released during this temporary ceasefire is both insidious and dishonest. Interior Minister Itamar Ben Gvir has banned Palestinians from celebrating their release. “My instructions are clear: there are to be no expressions of joy,” he said. “Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism, victory celebrations give backing to those human scum, for those Nazis.” He told Israeli police to deploy an “iron fist” to enforce his edict. https://theintercept.com/2023/11/26/palestine-israel-prisoners/
That is pretty fuckin clear.
My instructions are clear: there are to be no expressions of joy,” he said. “Expressions of joy are equivalent to backing terrorism"
Wow. That is cartoonishly dystopian.
I didn't but I guess thanks for keeping me informed. Also distracts me from my problems which are minor in comparison.
Watch carefully when you hear and see coverage about this. The people Israel had were "prisoners" while the people hamas had were "hostages."
This kind of subtle reframing of words happens all the time.
CBS Nightly News had a story that talked about the 150% increase (don't quote me on the actual percentage) in antisemitism acts, but anti Muslim sentiments were just "on the rise."
It's a double standard depending on who they're talking about.
The one that I saw was early on, after Hamas attacked, the news reported the number of deaths from “the Hamas invasion”. After that, when Israel retaliated and started killing Palestinians, the news was reporting “the total number killed since the beginning of the Hamas invasion”. They lumped all of the deaths from both sides together and framed it as if they were all attributed to Hamas, even though Israel had killed several times as many people by that point.
It's a double standard depending on who they're talking about.
Always has been, always.
Well ya. The Palestinians being released have been convicted of stabbing people. The Israelis were ripped from their homes.
This isn't an even swap, this is hostages for prisoners. Framing as a hostage exchange is dishonest entirely.
I hate how people treat genocide and other crimes against humanity as a reason to take teams and treat it like "you're either with team a or team b".
Any comment here criticizing one thing is taken as approval of "the other team" and I personally find that horrendous.
In America, we citizens haven't had any significant question where we were presented with more than 2 options as long as i can remember.
Manufactured consent.
I bet you feel enlightened with your centrist take.
I don't know if you realise but people can acknowledge that Hamas did bad things to civilians as well as Israel. The difference is some people can also acknowledge that the only reason Hamas exists is because Israel is a settler colonial state. Without Israel's crimes against humanity, there would be no need for Hamas to exist. People also have the ability to recognise the western media's attempt to falsely equivocate "both sides" when one is a genocidal attempt at an ethnostate backed by the most powerful nation the world has ever seen (and friends) and the other is a reaction to this.
“For forty years you try to strangle us. And then you criticize us for the way we breathe” ~ Fidel Castro.
Enlightened? Because I said I hate that people are using genocide as an excuse to take one of two sides? The situation isn't even encompassed in two sides, the country, the government and the people (and in the case of Palestine, also Hamas) are being treated as one monolithic beings with one agreeing mind each when they are not.
I'm sorry if your "if you're not with me, you're against me, here's a quote from a historical figure" routine didn't pressure me into trivializing crimes against humanity.
Edit: I'd like to point out how I've been called centrist for acknowledging there aren't two sides and this isn't a sport event deserving of fans.
The definition of a centrist is completely lost on you if you think the comment you're replying to is a centrist comment.
You're framing Hamas as being merely a reaction to Israel's aggression, when they actively work, sometimes in collaboration with Netanyahu^1^, to maintain the status quo and insure they're own relevance and power. You're right that Hamas wouldn't have a purpose without the occupation, and Hamas knows it.
Hamas isn't a path to Palestinian freedom, they're an obstacle to it. Hamas are motherfuckers; don't defend them.
If we say Israel is responsible for the destruction wrought on her own people in reaction to her crimes, then we must hold Hamas to that standard too. But following logic like this makes everybody and nobody responsible and implies that Israel controls the terrorists and Hamas runs the IDF. It's also precisely the Justification Netanyahu uses for the bombing.
At the end of the day, Israel is the party with the power to stop this cycle, and that is where I think we should put our attention.
They rounded up another 150 as they released those 150.
They actually have about 7,000 people in "administrative detention" which means people held without charges.
And remember boys and girls, this is not "hostage taking" because - as the simpleton useful idiots never cease to repeat - "it's legal".
(Thinking people might start pondering on which laws in their own supposedly Democratic countries are moral and which are nothing more than the hypocritical abuse of "justice" to cover up abuses of power)
Echoes from ghost of the Hague: I was only following orders.
WE will never forget. WE won't allow Israel to forget either.
Of course we'll hear the "ThEyRe NoT cItIzEnS sO iTs NoT aPaRtHeId" argument
Israel became worse than Hamas. I'm not saying Hamas are the good guys, both sides have killed civilians.
Yes. Israel had been sniping and bombing civilians alike all this time but no one batted an eye. But when Hamas conducted their own terrorist acts everyone lost their minds!
Israel became worse than Hamas.
Have been since 1949. You know... long before Hamas even existed?
It's a settler colonial ethnostate lol. It's always been fundamentally fascist from the beginning.
And getting Jews out of Europe is doing exactly what the Nazis wanted.
The Imperialist countries, specially the US, have learnt nothing from history. They're literally funding a fascist genocide.
People who say they violated the laws here, don't understand what is mean to be apartheid state.
These state have laws and regulations that basically push groups of people until they leave the country or extents.
I would recommend reading more because any ruling party in your country can easily create laws to discriminate against a group of people that could be you.
Yup. I'll put this here for those that need the explanation:
These often overlap but are fundamentally different things.
For instance, a country can be morally bankrupt, value a strong code of ethics, and have laws that have nothing to do with either.
Also, you often need to compare entire cultures before you can see problems with equivocating any of the three.
So teenagers slingshoting stones at poliecmen heads or throwing 10 pound cinder blocks at cars windshield get slaps on the wrist in your countries?
No, but we also don't bulldoze random houses in foreign territory and send our own settlers there to harass the locals until their children are radicalised.
AFAIK the thousands being held are being held by "administrative detention" which inherently does not have or require charges to be made.
Of course one can ask if you need to jail teenagers for throwing rocks at police and military. But asking 'how' is pretty simple: you can look it up. There are laws and if you violate them, you get jailed.
On the other side: maybe ask Hamas where their victims came from. What did the 23 Thai workers did wrong. Or the 10 Nepaelis.
...or even more depressing: ask them where they are. Rumors go around that Hamas doesn't know anymore where all hostages are. Since Hamas fighters where allowed to take individual hostages as trophy back home. You can only imagine what they might do to a single, young and beautiful woman whose only crime was to be at the wrong time at the wrong spot.
There are laws and if you violate them, you get jailed.
hey, slavery is legal so obey the fucking law and don't fight for your freedom. after all, you wouldn't want to be labeled a criminal by slavers, now would you?
Israel took more than a thousand detainees without any charges. A lot of them are women and children and they don't even necessarily come from Gaza.
And you should maybe think a bit less with aesthetics, why wouldn't the less beautiful women and girls be raped? It seems to me that you unjustly discriminate on who deserves the most pity.
That suggests that those jailed have been convicted or even sentenced for crimes. Look up administrative detention.
Ones a terrorist organisation and the other is meant to be a national state you fucking idiot.
So about those laws.
Also wondering which Israeli laws allow for the physical, mental and sexual abuse of children. Perhaps it might be good to change those if they exist.
And since we’re on the topic of laws. Perhaps we should look into Article 2 of the CPPCG, and, if Israel insists these people are prisoners of war, which seems to be the case with the venue of choice being a military court, Article 13 of the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War.
Surely the “only democracy in the Middle East” will adhere to most supreme of all laws?