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Or maybe they will launch Win 12 with optional TPM support.

Imho making the OS(es) TPM only cannot be good for their business, many people are still on Win 10 with no intention to switch, since their motheboard does not support TPM and do not want to upgrade PC / waste PCI-E slot on TPM extension.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (80 children)

After using Windows for 30+ years now (since Windows 1), this is one of the straws finally pushing me into Linux.

I'm running 10, but without a TPM, can't go to 11. So sad. Not.

Honestly 7 was the last decent OS they made. In my opinion the good OS's were NT4 (game changer), 2000, XP, 7. They can keep the rest.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (13 children)

You can use the Rufus USB flashing tool with the Windows 11 iso and it will remove the TPM requirement and others.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rufus is the shit, love Rufus.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

3.1 and 98se were pretty decent at the time too.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Microsoft doesn't care about you upgrading your personal computer. they care about business licenses. Enterprise pays the bills, and enterprise computers have all had TPM for ages. I don't see any reason for them to make a change. consumers buying a new os for an existing computer is a drop in the bucket

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why? What benefit would Microsoft have in changing the requirements for Windows 11 when Windows 12 will more than likely be the OS they focus most of their resources on?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (18 children)

making the OS(es) TPM only cannot be good for their business, many people are still on Win 10 with no intention to switch

The switch from Win 10 to Win 11 costs nothing, so Microsoft doesn't care at all whether you keep using 10 until your PC dies.
The next one you buy will come with 11 preinstalled.

Microsoft doesn't care if you install Linux either.
You've already paid for the Windows license when you bought the PC.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

So don't pay for windows, get it unactivated and use MAS to activate it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

You've already paid for the Windows license when you bought the PC.

Me scratching off the labels of old Win7 office computers at work

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is anyone going to bring up the fact they told everyone 10 was the last version of windows. Then they launched 11 and are now talking about 12.

I know companies lie all the time, but we can at least call them out on it

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

https://lemmy.world/post/9205583

Here's why it's against Microsoft interest to drop TPM requirement. They will paywall updates for Windows 10. So, pay for software updates or pay for hardware updates.

Because there is no possible alternative /S

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, so many salty replies to Linux or soon-to-be Linux users in that thread

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not really, the only saltines comes from OPs tears all over this post.

It's just so fun seeing how OP is faced with either having an unsecure system or having to pay to replace his otherwise perfectly capable machine, but still has so much loyalty to Microsoft (or he's in extreme denial) that he's throwing shit at everybody,even those who just explain Microsoft won't drop the requirement.

But it's ok, my non TPM machines will continue to work for years, always up to date. And when 12 rises the requirements yet again I'll laugh at all the people crying that a trillion dollars company isn't hearing them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

This is nothing new. Windows 10 will be 10 years old at that point. They’ve done paid extended service for several previous windows versions. I don’t like Windows or Microsoft. I run Linux or MacOS where I can but I can’t fault them for supporting an OS for 10 years.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (16 children)

What incentive would they have? What competition is there?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Imho making the OS(es) TPM only cannot be good for their business

It is good for their business.

There are very few people who turn away from M$ because they disagree with the TPM requirement.

There are some more people who whine and complain about the TPM requirement. Note the subtle difference :-) Experience has shown that most of these people have no real problem. They find a way, for example buy new hardware. It was a success for M$ if you buy new hardware.

In the long run, M$ wants to make more use of your TPM. Therefore I do not think that they see any reason to drop it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Absolutely not. None of the arguments you said are even relevant for their business. If it was true they would do their best to reduce the requirements creep version to version.

Of course you can use Linux, but you made clear that you're uninformed about that in another post.

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