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Similar case in point: "bimonthly" means "twice a month." That makes sense.

But the definition for "bi-weekly" does not make sense.

What do you think?

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[–] incompetentboob@lemmy.world 104 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It means both, twice a week and every two weeks. It's confusing but what part of english isnt?

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[–] neidu@feddit.nl 77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm wondering the same thing about Bible. Does it mean twice per Ble or every other Ble?

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No. It means Ble likes both girls and boys.

[–] blender2142 5 points 1 year ago

We should rename it bibi then

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[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Two bles.

The old and new testament together are two, thus "Bible".

Before the new testament they just carried around a ble.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know you're making a joke, but on the off chance someone thinks you might be onto something: it's from biblio, or book.

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[–] jadero@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I was taught that the "bi" prefix was a multiplier and "semi" was a divider.

That meant biweekly, bimonthly, biannually were every 2 weeks, months, years and semi-weekly, semi-monthly, semi-annually were every half a week, half a month, and half a year.

Then the real world intruded and I've been confused ever since. About the only time I hear "semi" and "bi" used on a regular basis the way I expect is with pay periods. Biweekly is every two weeks and semi-monthly is twice a month.

Canada, by the way.

PS: I suppose bisexual and semi trailers also fit my expectations.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

I'm on your side. Your rule makes sense, and what other people are doing doesn't make sense.

Stick to your rule and tell everyone else they're wrong.

[–] pythonoob@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I never heard that semi meant 1/2. I've always thought of semi as rather vague tbh. Meaning that there is no set amount of time between things.

[–] nybble41@programming.dev 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

bi- means two, as in bicycle: two wheels (circles)

semi- means half, as in semicircle: half of a circle

The problem is that the prefixes can be parsed as affecting either duration/interval as in (bi-week)ly, every two weeks, or frequency as in bi-(weekly), two times weekly. The same applies to semi-.

Personally I find the frequency interpretation a bit of a stretchβ€”"two" is not the same as "two times" or "twice"β€”so I would tend to read e.g. bimonthly as every two months rather than twice each month.

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[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 55 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It means both. Welcome to English.

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[–] viking@infosec.pub 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bi-weekly means twice a week and every two weeks. Look it up in the dictionary of you choosing.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We should all agree it means twice a week. As we already have fortnightly to mean every two weeks.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It can be either, actually. Yes, it's stupid.

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[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 22 points 1 year ago (8 children)

this is TIL, for me. "fortnightly" almost always solves it.

I always think the rule was "bi-" for "two" like bicycles VS semicycles.

dictionary people say it is up to the sayer to avoid confusion.

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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The real answer is to solve this by using different terms. For instance, "twice per week" or "every other week".

Don't try to get anyone to agree on a definition, it's just begging for problems.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bi means 2. Bi weekly means 2 weeks.

Semi means half. Semi weekly means every half week or twice per week.

[–] brb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Semi weekly sounds like it means every two weeks

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I prefer to use "semiweekly" for twice in a week, and so on for other periods.

[–] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Use it in a sentence:

I used to get hard every day, but now I'm lucky to get a semiweekly

[–] PwnTra1n@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Please start a word of the day series

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[–] AnonStoleMyPants@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Lmao I'd interpret that as every two weeks. Semi meaning "almost", so "semiweekly" would mean almost weekly, hence, every two weeks. I guess you could think "almost" the other way but I feel like semi is usually used in a way that is "quite but not as good", twice a week would be more than once a week so I semi would have to be every two weeks in my mind.

[–] meant2live218@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Semi just means half. Semifinals, semester, semi-truck, etc.

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[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wait, so bi-weekly and bi-monthly mean almost the same thing (every 14/15 days)? That's insanity!

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There was often much confusion about this in the past because as you said it can mean multiple things. We seem to have gone away from any proper etymological use of the word 'bi' and have defined (for the most part) biweekly to be every two weeks, bimonthly to be twice a month, biannually to be twice a year (that one maybe not). Legal documents that I see don't use those terms to avoid confusion.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Frustratingly, "biannual" can also mean twice a year or every two years. Fortunately there is the "biennial" which unambiguously means every two years.

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[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

The banks use β€œbiweekly” and β€œsemiweekly” to avoid this exact kind of ambiguity. Biweekly would be twice a week, while semiweekly would be every other week.

It comes up in banking a lot because of payroll. If you get paid every other week, you get paid semiweekly. But if you get paid on the 1st and 15th of every month, you get paid bimonthly.

[–] jadero@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Canadian here, with 50 years in the workforce. I've never once been paid semi-weekly or bimonthly. Here, biweekly is every two weeks semi-monthly is every half month. Obviously, that latter is often spoken of as twice a month, which just adds to the confusion between "bi" and "semi".

The reality is that these words, like most words (at least in English), mean whatever the speaker wants them to mean and consensus can be hard to reach.

I give you the phrase "table the discussion". Sometimes it means to formally bring something up for discussion. Other times it means setting the discussion aside for future consideration.

Or, my favourite from my childhood, "fat chance" which means that something is even less likely than if it had a slim chance. Granted, that might be more in the line of idiomatic slang, but it stands as part of at least the era's Canadian English that did have broad consensus and still does, I think.

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That's insane I would understand both of those terms to mean the exact opposite of what you described.

Also who gets paid twice a week and how do I arrange for that.

[–] olmec@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

That seems backwards to me. Mainly because if you move it to years instead of weeks, something that happens twice a year happens in half a year (semiannual) while something that happens every other year happens in 2 years (biannual).

Of course, I guess you you argue that it isn't much time for the thing to happen, but how many times it does happen. The shareholders meeting happens in January and July, so it happens twice in a year, and it should be semiannual. This is because it happens is semi-year, or 6 months. But you could argue that it happens twice in a year, so has bi-annually.

I realized I may have talked out of my original point, but I feel like my initial comment (semiannual is 6 months, and biannual is 24 months) is easier to understand.

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I think the conflict is between invisibly different sub-word groupings. I think of them as "(biweek)ly" = "happens every biweek" = "happens every two weeks, vs. "Bi(weekly)" = "happens twice as much as weekly" = "happens two times every week".

That doesn't really help the ambiguity, so I prefer other ways of describing the recurrent timing of events when there isn't anything obviously disambiguating them - for example, if I create a digital calendar event and name it "biweekly event", the existence/nonexistence of repeated calendar events makes it obvious what is meant.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

An old word that fell out of use to describe a two-week period is "fortnight."

It should make a come back, but I fear the current generations would always misspell it for... reasons.

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Old word?

Only in America, surely. Fortnightly is as common as weekly in most other English-speaking nations

[–] Pappabosley@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Oh, I didn't get the memo, I used fortnight/ly all the time

Very commonly used in Australia.

[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fortnightly means every two weeks. Bi weekly means twice a week.

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[–] Shalakushka@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The word for "biweekly" you are looking for is "semi-weekly".

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