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I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync's developer, Lemmy's developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home instance up will accelerate the incredible growth of lemmy!

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Y'all just seething bc others are enjoying things. This is just cringe. This is not a zero sum game. You can donate to lemmy devs/instance devs/fav. app devs and whatever else you like too.

And let's not pretend this is new. You could see a lot of memmy users being excited about their app too. I don't know what the hell they are talking about. But I'm glad they have an app they like that much.

Just. Let. People. Enjoy. Things.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

i dont think theres anything wrong with sync enjoyers loving their app but i have to agree that the iap money would be better spent on actually keeping instances alive

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

This is such a bad take. By the same logic, the time you spend scrolling through Lemmy would have been better spent serving the homeless in the soup kitchen or sweeping the streets clean. But yet here you are. Why?

Let's face it, the "IAP money" you referred to has always been there, Sync dev found a way (and has the balls) to monetize his work to a pretty big extent. And only now are you all sour grapes about it. If Lemmy instances are so desperate for money why didn't they make an equally big effort to monetize? On the flip side, if money isn't such a big issue why do you care if Sync is monetizing?

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I don't subscribe as a rule these days.Subscription fatigue is a real thing but I do make one time payments to regularly used services or apps across the year. I guess it's like tipping in that respect, I do it when I feel I should.

For Sync, the subscription seemed steep for an app for a platform I'm still only starting to use and don't use anywhere near Reddit levels (by design I might add) plus the one time payment seems similarly steep. I bought the pro for Reddit about 2 years before Reddit went full ham and was ready to spend the £8 of Google credit I have on it again if it turned out I used it/lemmy more than I do.

The issue I found is that feeding that back on anything like this hit the cult wall and you just get a lot of angry posting about you being cheap or just use the ads etc. Hell, you can see the same posts even in this thread which is only tangentially related to that whole quagmire. I had hoped that lemmy would be less vitriolic and more discussion based even on these kinds of things but I guess people are just tribalistic regardless.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I agree that subscription fatigue is a huge thing, and I avoid services as a rule of thumb unless there are real reasons for the subscription, ie ongoing usage based costs.

That said, I view $2 a month as a reasonable subscription cost, and if Reddit had charged that I would have happily paid it to keep bacon reader. It's only the one time payment cost that is very steep ($99).

I chip in $5/mo for lemmy.world to help pay to keep it ad free and running

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Good bloody grief! How did a reminder to support Lemmy devs and hosts get hijacked by Sync fans? Sync is a completely different topic.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yeah, maybe shouldn't have mentioned sync in my post. I was just doing as a joke though.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It’s a fine segue. I’m just surprised at how many people jumped at the chance to talk about a different topic and ignore your actual message.

Thanks for the reminder, BTW. As soon as I find a permanent home, I’ll add them to the donations list.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The title literally references Sync...if it didn't, your point would be stronger but I understand the spirit.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Yeah. If you got 100$ to spare you should be giving it lemmy instead of sync.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The difference is that some users have been using sync for a decade and using Lemmy for only a month. So it's a lot easier to mentally justify supporting a developer who you've been benefiting from for so long.

I have also donated to my local instance, I really hope to see it all grow together.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Personally, I think the app is absolutely fine without paying for the subscription. I really don't see too many ads. I get an average of one ad for every two refreshes of the feed when scrolling through, and none of them have been obtrusive. It's certainly night and day when compared to the ads in the official Reddit app.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 years ago (9 children)

The people who develop lemmy get paid to do so, as stated by iirc Dessalines themselves.

I would put donating to those running instances at the highest priority, because without servers, we have nothing.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

That grant is coming to an end, if it hasn't already.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is my biggest problem with it. I have no issue with Sync charging. I have an issue with Sync charging and not passing anything on to the developers of Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I think lemmy instances should be able to charge for API acce... wait a minute

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There's nothing wrong with charging for API access if the price is reasonable. Reddit was intentionally unreasonable to kill off 3rd party traffic. In 2022, the avg reddit user brought in $0.72 USD per year. If they charged just $1/yr, they'd increase their profit!

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My instance's owner has a Patreon. I give there. I definitely recommend that others do the same.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Is it just me or does Sync's pricing seem... Exorbitantly high?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

It is. The Lemmy instance owners and the devs aren't even making a dime off the platform.

That said, the decision to pay is still ultimately up to the user. If you feel it's too pricey, then there's Liftoff, which is a perfectly fine app in itself. Others are okay with it or even better if regional pricing is launched.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The person that runs my home instance appears to be from Ohio, I don't think I can sanction that buffoonery. /s

I'll kick some money towards them once I get bills for the month sorted.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm new to lemmy. What's a home instance?

Sync is making it so I don't need to think think hard. Makes head go ouchie.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's like email, I have yahoo, you have gmail, your grandma has aol. Each is their "home" instance but they can all talk to each other. They're not in a walled garden and can only talk to themselves like whatsapp or reddit or twitter etc. Fediverse is an open platform and lemmy is a reddit-like part of it. Mastodon is a twitter-like part of it. Sync does do a great job, no need to make head go ouchie.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm new here also but I think it's the instance where you registered your account in. For example lemmy.world.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm not sure what I was expecting, but it threw me off how short the donation list over $10 is and how many people donate on Patreon (obviously not the only way to donate). Thanks for the donation information!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's also possible to use the free version and just deal with ads. If you want lemmy to thrive, then sync is exactly the sort of thing we need (it's the only reason I'm here after the final death of RIF)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I haven't looked too deeply into the financing (recent migrant from Reddit). But would like to find out more.

Is Lemmy / Fediverse run like the Wikimedia Foundation?

Is current financing supporting the paid work and growth of servers etc?

What is considered a fair regular donation? Should I donate to Iemmy.org and the instance I have joined - lemmy.world? I would be happy to know what others here are contributing.

Thanks!

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