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[–] [email protected] 154 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

It's good that these tools exist, but it's so frustrating that it's a constant cat and mouse game of Microsoft trying to make their products as cumbersome and shit as possible and the community trying to salvage Windows to the best of their ability.

At what point do OEMs just say actually nah, I'm tired of you making our laptops frustrating to use?

At what point do they say fuck it I'm going the Valve route and moving away from a company that wants to undermine my products and my brand?

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

uhh they will include copilot key in keyboard in new laptops...

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Very useful, just like my dedicated Cortana key. 🤡

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The people who use tools like this are in the minority. The majority (probably the vast majority) of people use Windows as it is out of the box.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The number for people I have seen with search box still enabled in taskbar tells me that's true.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Everyone. Everywhere.

It blows my mind, but then I realise that we here on Lemmy are the 1% of IT users.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, I know.

But it's not like these people actually love ads all over the place, or bing results in start menus, or popups asking them to pwetty pwease use OneDrive, or can you pwetty pwetty pwease use Edge instead of Chrome, they just either:

  • don't know they can get rid of that stuff

  • don't trust tools and are afraid they'll break something or the tools will contain a virus

  • don't care enough to research this crap

  • view using their PC as a chore anyway, and so power through the annoyances

I don't own a Mac, and don't intend to, but of the biggest things people like about them is that there are far fewer of these types of annoyances.

It's not just extreme power users that can be irked by all this crap - they're just the ones who do things about it and chat on forums about it. A normal person just sighs and thinks ugh I'd rather just do this on my phone

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

For me it is so weird, that you have to use extra tools to disable telemetry and unwanted features in windows systems. Why is windows not giving me a central option to decide on those things? Is it maybe because they do not want me to decide for myself and therefore splitting the places where I need to disable all that unwanted stuff as opaque as possible? Can they be more obvious that they do not value your opinion on how you want your OS to behave?

Quit Windows. It is a dead end and get worst with every release.

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

want your OS

That's the problem, it's not your OS.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I switched to linux yeats ago but i now need to build myself a windows 11 base image thats as lightweight as possible for my vms and im dreading that immeansly. I just want onw toll that can kill literally everything thats unessasary. I mean unless proton and wine has gotten good enough to run autocad programs.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Use Windows LTSC, it doesn't have this stuff. Then permanently license it with the MAS tool on github (let me go find a link)

https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

Courtesy of subtext

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is absolutely the way. My wife needed windows for school recently... Ltsc was the only way to go.

I use windows 11 for work and it's absolutely horrible.. took them a year to let us ungroup windows on the task bar. Win11 literally didn't ship with that ability.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I removed it by installing Linux

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Annnnnnnnnnnd there it is!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Like clockwork! Almost as reliable as the OS /s

Linux has no mainstream advertising so word-of-mouth is the only way it gets adopted.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can you imagine installing Windows and having to install 10 seperate programs just to fix all the issues with it?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Every day with Windows is like this. It’s a fucking nightmare. I don’t know what else to do.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Truly Truly, I say unto you, install Linux; it's what you really must do.

https://linuxmint.com/

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Truly the Bethesda of operating systems.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

install random third party software that may be sniffing or leaking information to remove shady features from windows that sniff and leak information.

windows sucks.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The app is open source so you can review the not-leaking-your-information that it does yourself.

Windows on the other hand ...

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I used to have a power shell script that a coworker gave me that would uninstall a huge number of services and apps on windows, change a bunch of config settings etc.

I've always wished there were a way to roll out a stripped windows release as an open source project without getting sued.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Although im part of the Linux crowd, if you’re tired of reapplying debloat scripts every update, you could get the W10 IoT LTSC edition that only has security patches with no updates. You will have to pirate it though.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They keep inching me towards Linux with all this bullshit

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Sigh.

Sure.

Now how do you: CAD, exchange, Publisher, Access, Excel (no, open versions of excel still don't come close, they can't even do tables), Onenote/SharePoint, etc, etc.

And Linux is as messed up in its own way. Power management is off by default, so it kills your laptop battery (at least on every version I've tested). Notifications that you can't silence without looking up a command line.

No, the learning curve is still too steep to recommend to people who I will have to support.

And while the Open/Libre office apps are "compatible", people don't have time to waste dealing with the ways they whack a document. Libre couldn't even properly display the spreadsheet I use to setup a new machine, with 3 sheets and a few hundred lines, because tables.

"Switch to Linux" is a simplistic answer that doesn't address the needs of users. And I use Linux every day, as a serverOS, running VM's and docker.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

They hated him for he spoke the truth...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

“Switch to Linux” is a simplistic answer that doesn’t address the needs of users. And I use Linux every day, as a serverOS, running VM’s and docker.

"Let me debate you about why you shouldn't use Windows" as if I want to use Windows, people who have no experience with the software in my industry dropping alternatives. Even had someone debate me after saying I'm a sysadmin in a mixed environment, and how I alone should just move the whole company and all our software vendors to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What learning curve? Whether my mom clicks on the Firefox icon in Ubuntu or Windows makes zero difference

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Dude literally just explained the issues facing actual workers that use computers for productive activities, not your mother looking up tendie recipes.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What's slowing down Linux adoption?

Is it the monopoly Microsoft has on all PC hardware and strong relationships it has with desktop software partners that make leaving windows near impossible?

No, it must be the users.

/s insert principal Skinner meme

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm tired of playing the debloat game, especially with the frequency of Windows updates that undo and add things.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

As someone who uses windows to produce music, bloat is a huge issue, latencymon Is a great tool to check for programs and drivers that can cause audio dropouts.

And win 11 has been great, didn't have to change much to get it to work. I tried several forms of Linux and it was too slow, driver issues, and plugins that were impossible to get working.

Win 10 was bad, but 7 was worse.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I literally have a windows 10 installed that I haven't logged in since before AI came up. WTF! I can only imagine the massive update when I try to login next time.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You should just login in to a linux distro instead. (╭☞´ิ∀´ิ)╭☞

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Every fucking thread that is even remotely about "Windows"

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Another way of removing windows ai bloat is by using balenaetcher and an usb stick

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

The option to install Opera should be removed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use AtlasOS to debloat and optimize (disabling animations, annoying requests and so on) Windows 10/11

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