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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I recently visited China, to meet my wife’s extended family.

Let me tell you, the sheer amount of single-use plastics that are consumed by any individual throughout a regular day in a metropolitan environment, is absolutely and mind-numbingly depressing.

Given that there are 1.3b people there, and that no matter how much we in the US/AU/EU reduce/reuse/recycle - we will never be able to truly offset that sheer amount of plastic pollution produced.

Now I’m not saying this to be a doomer, but more-so to say that individuals can’t enact sufficient change to save this planet, we need Government and corporate incentives to shift towards sustainable alternatives, and punitive policies to disincentivise plastic production globally.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

plastic waste per capita: the US is at top(if we exclude small island nations)
plastic waste in absolute terms: the US is not far behind China, with India at a distant third place.

the reduction is plastic waste generation in China is far more than that of US^1^.

so, what I mean to say is that more people ≠ more pollution. but I do agree that the problem is to be tackled with active participation of the government, which won't be there because of muh economy.


[1]: By 2016, China's overall plastic waste production had fallen to 21.60 million tons, a reduction of nearly 28 million tons (for comparison, U.S. production fell less than 4 tons during the same time period). Moreover, despite being one of the largest overall producers of plastic waste, China's per capita production of plastic waste was one of the lowest in the world in 2016 at 15.6 kilograms a year per person.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

Lots of places in the US won't recycle the supposedly "recyclable" plastics, it ends up in a landfill regardless of what you do. I remember all the educational initiatives about the importance of recycling when I was a kid. Turns out it was all just propaganda to make us feel responsible for problems caused by corporations.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh man that's a drop in the bucket compared to medical/industrial/commercial plastic waste lol.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I did the ambulance thing for a bit. CPR calls, the back of the ambulance, despite being covered in fluids, looked like a recycling center. And none of it gets recycled, obviously, all just gets red bagged or containered. Everything is individually wrapped, and for obvious reasons, but I'd have days where I could match my family's plastic use for the week or more in 12 hours.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

One day doing, even just residential construction produces more plastic waste than an entire family of 4 for a month I would reckon.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Also fuck bamboo straws and other paper straws filled with PFAS. just use a normal straw or none at all

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe beverages could be served in containers that don't require a straw. I wouldn't mind being served a can or a bottle instead a cardboard cup.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The main issue is drinks with ice. But maybe we could add a retainer on top of the glass to hold the ice so we can sip directly from the cup.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Or you know, food grade stainless steel straws. No bad chemicals, doesn't turn to mush (unless exposed to temperatures of 1,400 to 1,530 °C) and fully recyclable. Some people say they are hard to wash but ive never had a problem i just stick em vertical into the silverware holder of my dishwasher and it's always gotten all the way through the straw clean.

They are cheap to produce as well. Not plastic cheap maybe but businesses could easily replace plastic straws with them without going bankrupt or anything. Easy model is just have em as an optional extra so once people already have 8 they can just use their own lol

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

temperatures of 1,400 to 1,530 °C

Well, that rules out drinking McDonald’s coffee with one then.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Hey! I'm old enough to get that reference!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think id prefer a glass straw to metal, but i get thats not something fast food could do easily.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Main issue with that is shipping, of course the government could give them subsidies to cut the costs

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I use my own metal straw and it works great

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

We have those at home too and they're the only straws I use. They just feel premium in a way.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was recently served a long macaroni as a straw in a restaurant. It was honestly amazing how well it worked! At no point it was mushy and there's nothing in it that I wouldn't eat with my pasta dish anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's something about having a lot of money that makes you hate mother nature. It's weird.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Feels like to them, mother nature and environment is a hindrance to their convenience

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taylor Swifts private jet/boat circling the globe to pick up her boyfriend

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How else do you go on a cruise while flying your jet? Checkmate, working class!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Something something, Taylor Swift

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Taylor Swift going on a cruise?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

i really do not understand where this idea that plastic has something to do with the climate came from, how do people imagine that to work?

No, the point of not using plastic is to not have plastics blowing around on the street for 50 years before it's degraded into microplastics that instead enter our bodies.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Plastic is made from oil that is pumped up from the earth. This oil contains carbon that eventually gets released into the atmosphere.

The climate change is caused by carbon that is pumped up from the earth and released into the atmosphere as carbon dioxide.

Do you have enough imagination to see any kind of connection?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They said " environment", not climate.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know if all these recent jet memes are people just joking around or are you people actually convinced private jets are the problem?

Taylor swift, and every single billionaire alive could be flying 24/7/365 OR NOT and it would make absolutely no difference to fighting climate change.

The main polluters are industry and farming.

All this other shit around are just distractions keeping you from actually going after the people that are causing our crisis.

I don't know if it's astroturfing or what, but it seems like it's deliberate manipulation to keep people inactive.

You memeing on Tylor or using wood straws, or recycling your soda can does fuck all. A single paper plant will dump out so much co2 and pollution that will negate the effort of millions.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, none of that matters anyways when China now emits almost twice as much CO2 as the US and is basically single-handedly not just absorbing all the rest of the world's reduction efforts, but increasing the global output enormously.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Double the emissions for 4 times the people? Damn that's pretty efficient in comparison.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

While that's efficient by comparison, the atmosphere doesn't really give us a break for per-capita adjustments. Yes, the US is more irresponsible per capita and they need to fix that. However China gets more bang-for-the-buck in per-capita improvements when it comes to the actual environmental impact.

Depends on whether we are talking about where to optimize for best impact, or whether we are talking about fairness of blame.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the data you shared only shows half the picture. if you take into account cumulative emissions, the US isn't doing any good. it's responsible fit a quarter of emissions to date.

source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Past emissions are just assigning blame, future emissions are all that matters. USA emissions have peaked, China is growing exponentially. That's a problem.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blame matters, when the world’s leading economy at the time did fuck all to remedy the situation.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

clears throat Cave Johnson here. I've been thinking...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Taylor Swift needs to relax her Triangle of Sadness.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

let me add my contribution to this meme:

image description: a luxurious inside view of a private jet, in which another jet is flying inside.
the text above it reads, "Taylor swift yendo al baño de su jet."
lit: Taylor swift going to her jet's bathroom.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

notice how they wrote billionaire and not Taylor, very good

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Yep. I’m all for limiting waste, but we never should’ve gotten rid of plastic straws. Paper straws DO NOT WORK. It’s as simple as that.

I’ve resorted to carrying my own straws these days, just so I don’t have to use soggy paper.

And frankly, I doubt getting rid of plastic straws had any effect anyway. They claimed here it was to protect sea turtles. I live four hours from the ocean. Unless a sea turtle knows how to use public transport, they’re not likely to get near my straw. Especially since I actually put it in the recycling bin anyway.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Plastic recycling is a lie.

I use a reusable metal straw

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you living on a dumpster or really that naive, that you think your waste is staying where you leave it?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know you could just learn to drink like grown ups so you don't need to carry around special implements? My babies could pretty much drink straight from a cup or a glass before they had turned two, you can do it too

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There's a different between shitpost and shit post, you know?

We aim for the former in here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Taylor on the way to, ah forget it.

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