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Simple question: Will you go back to Reddit and other centralized social media platforms, if Reddit step back from the API changes? The benefits of Reddit are obvisiouly, it has million of users and even small communitys have thousands of users.

For me it's pretty clear, after deleting my Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Discord accounts, the decentraliced Fediverse is my future in social media. Even with an very much smaller community, i'm not willing to be treated as ad-cow for the big corps.

But what do you think about your future in social media? Fediverse or Reddit, Meta, Google and all the others? Or will you go safe and use both, to have an backup option?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think I'll stay here. I like the prospect of building this ting together and shaping it the way we want it. Just that they caved in this one time doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. I would rather invest my time and effort into something I can stand behind and agrees with my believes. I like that it's open source and decentralised.

Main thing that needs to be addressed with Lemmy/kbin is the mobile app situation which is well...not great at the moment

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Same. The API changes are a symptom of a larger change in direction, and even if Reddit backs down from this now, it’s not going to change the fact that decisions about the platform rooted in how to maximize profits are never going to be good for users. I’d rather contribute to a place where the goal is to build something worthwhile, not just something that’s going to line investors’ pockets.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Apart from the pains of being a relatively new thing (with very barebones alpha mobile apps) I'm already enjoying Lemmy more than Reddit.

I think they've made it super clear the direction they're going. Even if they back down on the third party API cost, the fact they keep trying to push NFTs, Talks, their own video hosting service, their own little emoticons no third party app can support, the idea of selling all users comments to AI firms... No thanks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Both. Even if Reddit step back this time I think this action is just another on the road to their demise. But Lemmy/Fediverse still needs the critical mass shift to become the true alternative.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

I probably will, because I know the communities I was part of there will never be as big and succesful here. Let's face it, Reddit is far simpler. Lemmy takes a little effort to figure out how to navigate, and many casual internet users won't want to put in that effort.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Depends if enough people move to make it fun.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Probably not besides looking up old posts and info. After the past week or so of not using Reddit, can’t really say I miss it. Lemmy reminds me of the pre-social media days of web forums and I love it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I'll stay.

One of the reasons is that I don't think Reddit will step back. They might do some changes, and revert some of the decisions, but I'm pretty sure those would be temporary. I don't trust their CEO and I don't trust their intentions.

But most importantly, I like the Fediverse. I like hosting my own services, so I don't depend on a big company which will inevitable change their terms of service, close their APIs, or do something that is not in the best interest of the users, but of the investors and share holders.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

That's a difficult question for me. I'm a mod of a small niche subreddit over there. I don't like the idea of leaving that small community to die, and I'm not sure I could rebuild it here. But at the same time the enshittification of Reddit is progressing in a way I'm not at all comfortable with. I'm definitely in on the blackout, but I'm not sure what it'll take to make me stay or make me leave after that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I'm going to stick around on lemmy and see what happens. I'm enjoying it more than reddit already and am posting/commenting a lot more than I used to.

There's a couple of places that I'm not sure will be replicated here any time soon that I'll really miss, but hey whatever.

Saying that I've only logged out of reddit, not deleted anything yet 😬

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I already deleted my reddit account, so there is no going back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Lemmy is still new. But that's a boon ; it has plenty of room to grow and already it is teeming with life and a plethora of new ideas.

I was thinking of deleting Reddit before the fiasco because I just wasn't enjoying it anymore. It was the same with 9GAG many years ago, whose era came to an end when I discovered Reddit.

I find pleasure by browsing Lemmy, so... Now is the time for change. I am not looking back.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I will probably end up using both, regardless.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Honestly yes, if Reddit steps back and Apollo stays around I’d probably go back to it. While Lemmy is a good alternative IOS support is limited with Mlem and the communities aren’t as large. I’d still probably use Lemmy but less often.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I mean you can't really say no to the critter in the sweater. What kind of monster does that? (I bet they put pineapple on their pizza, too)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Yes I’ll stay but I’ll also keep using Reddit. You can use more than one app depending what you’re looking for

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, because the reddit admins have shown their true selves and I don't like it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

This is basically why I'm sticking around, besides being able to have a copy of the content I consume on servers I can do something about (ie, backup.)

Not expecting things to get better after IPO personally

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I think I’ll become a lurker and have a read only account and only log in with an ad-blocked to hell web browser.

I hope the lemmy community continues to grow though, you guys are great 👍

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

At the point I'm at now. I'll probably use both. Depends on the engagement and if the content is there. I'd much rather use Lemmy, but I'm not going to deprive myself of content.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I'll stay. While lemmy, at least for now, is a bit harder to use than reddit, and also lacks content, I see both of those as temporary issues. This feels nice and fresh, and i'm excited to see how it evolves. That applies to the entire Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Simple question: Will you go back to Reddit and other centralized social media platforms, if Reddit step back from the API changes? The benefits of Reddit are obvisiouly, it has million of users and even small communitys have thousands of users.

Most likely yes, I'll be sticking around. Something I very much appreciate about lemmy as an advantage over the big social media sites is that lemmy is set up such that you can be reasonably sure that there are many more human users than bots. On reddit you can mostly avoid the bots by sticking to the smaller subs, but I think lemmy may be able to grow larger than that and still avoid being overrun by propaganda and marketing bots due to the prevalence of manual approval for newly registered users.

I'm definitely hoping to see even more features that emphasize this advantage of lemmy. I'd like to try contributing some code for this myself, at a time when things feel more stable (i.e. no huge sweeping changes in the pipeline, like the HTTP client is now) and I can find some time for it.

For example...

One obvious improvement would be to add an invite system, where new user registration occurs via reputable users sending invite links to people they know.

And I envision a feature where one instance may mark some of the instances it federates with as low trust. Users on the instance would have the option not to see content posted by the low-trust instance's users, or the option to have their content explicitly marked in the UI. This could be used, for one thing, to still federate with larger instances that are less stringent about disallowing bot accounts, but provide a means to view only content where there is a higher degree of confidence that it was posted by a human, or to at least clearly mark low-confidence content.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

There was a thread on lemmy.ml with somebody suggesting an invite system. One of the devs replied they didn't have the bandwidth to do it but invited others to look at implementing it, not sure if anybody's working on.

It's a good point that the current binary choice of federating vs. not federating isn't flexible enough. Mastodon has a couple of in-between options, not sure if they're the right ones, but at least points to some possibilities.

I don't think this place is inherently any more bot-resistant than reddit, it's just that bots haven't started to target it yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Will you go back to Reddit and other centralized social media platforms, if Reddit step back from the API changes?

No; I didn't even know about the API issue until after I registered on a lemmy instance.

My transition from twitter -> mastodon was so smooth and pleasant I started sniffing around lemmy again. I'd looked at it a year or two ago but didn't take the bait at that time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Reddit has been a dumpster fire for years now, I grab every straw that has even remote chance of becoming successful

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I'm probably going to keep using both regardless, though I may cut back significantly on my reddit use.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I probably would, yes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I'll stay in the Fediverse. With reddit, the damage has already been done, even if they do backpedal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I will stay here. The way reddit has acted is completely unforgivable and it would be an insult to my self respect to go back.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Yes, I don't think the problem with Reddit is just a collection of recent poor decisions, rather it's a fundamental result of it being a centralized platform that aims to be profitable. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and other networks.

But I'd like (and hope) to see many UI/UX improvements to Lemmy on desktop and mobile in the following weeks and months.

[–] porn_alt 2 points 2 years ago

I am absolutely staying here from now on. Unfortunately there are some specific niches on Reddit that did not blackout that may pull me back, but my default Internet front page will always be Lemmy or another Fediverse from now on.

I’m committed to help build this damn community one way or another so we don’t risk this happening again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

A quick story.

I play Dungeons and Dragons. Wizards of the Coast (WotC which owns D&D and is in turn owned by Hasbro) tried to pull some evil things with the license that covers a lot of D&D content and tehre was a huge backlash and boycott and WotC eventually (mostly) backed down.

I took part in the boycott and when WotC backed down, I reasoned that the boycott would be for naught if I didn't end my boycott and "reward" WotC for (mostly) agreeing to play nice(r). So I ended my boycott.

Just a few weeks later, WotC sent armed mercinaries (literally the Pinkertons) after one of their Magic The Gathering customers over a purchase mixup on the reseller's part. No calling and nicely asking the customer to voluntarily help resolve what WotC saw as an issue. Just Pinkertons at the customer's door one day.

I've now learned the lesson I should have already known ahead of the D&D licensing debacle. What Reddit is doing now shows their true nature. If folks end the boycott and go back to Reddit, that will only empower Reddit and its parent company Conde Nast to pull something just as bad or worse in the future. (Not that they won't do something worse even if people don't come back.) And when that happens, the Reddit users who came back to Reddit after this API pricing situation settled down will be tired and more reticent to engage in another boycott.

So my philosophy is "if it's bad enough to warrant a temporary boycott, it's bad enough to warrant a permanent boycott."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

they won't. besides, i'm pretty invested here, now!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

No. The writing is on the wall. I don't expect old.reddit to be around too much longer; I wouldn't be too surprised if RES is gone within the next few years, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

what's reddit?

[–] batman654987 1 points 3 months ago

Im definetly staying on lemmy and fediverse.

I think that if someone understands what is lemmy and fediverse and how it is different than reddit than it will apriciate it and will stay.

But if that one doesnt understand and see lemmy just like another forum. And judges it by the looks of platform and ease of use, than it may wery easy switch to platform like reddit.

Which is bad because on reddit since it funkcions like it does there are many forbiden topics and deleted posts. Also threads that reddit doesnt allow me to see and so on. Which directly forbids people to speak freely.

I think its like svitching to linux. I swiched a couple of years ago but i understood how linux is diferent and thats why i newer go back and newer will. But someone that switched because linux is more customisable and you can change the look of it as you please and doesnt understand trye diferences will easily switch bac to windows if they release new version with better looks..

So the cay in my opinion is to share more informacion about how things are, so people can understand and see for themselfs why its the real deal.

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