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[–] taanegl@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (8 children)

"When we hit rock bottom, we will bounce back,"

Any historic precedent for a country applying massive austerity measures during times of poverty, which has then "bounced back"?

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Translation: we must kill the poor so that we can be rich.

No one is talking about how these extreme austerity measures will affect the most vulnerable people

[–] STOMPYI@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Children lose very measurable nueral brain growth you don't get back if malnourished in the beginning. We're literally making a new class of measurably different human...

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. Plenty of evidence of it crashing systems and worsening recessions from the Great Depression though, compared to spending programs like the New Deal.

That said, there isn't a Great Depression, at the moment. Selling off public assets to foreign neocolonialists will produce short term benefits...

For their new oligarchy, since ancaps sure as fuck aren't reinvesting those funds into public education and infrastructure.

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Um, i suppose you could apply the effect of the black plague on middle ages europe.

Estimated to have killed 1/3 of all people. There was a subsequent rise in wages/worker bargaining power attributed to the lack of labour supply.

I suppose thats an example of rock bottom and coming back with some benefit.

I wouldn't call it 'bouncing' back though, more like struggling on with a sliver of silver on those grey clouds. Not an adviseable course for a country to take.

[–] STOMPYI@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see it like sand in a sand timer that's been tipped. We get little crests and collapses cycles as the whole structure shifts and grows.

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good illustrative example.

I'm always hesitant to assume growth will always reassert itself in the end though. You know the old saying, 'past performance is not an indicator of future performance', type thing. After all extinction is a thing.

[–] STOMPYI@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The sand castle analogy is why I think that saying works, past performance doesn't indicate future, every 'now' is a new sand castle, its a bit taller, has more weight on one side from the last shift, its a bit wider... it will fail but and it might look very similar, or it might fail a new way and really take it down.

[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Let's see if his escape helicopter bounce back

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ah yes, the economic miracle of...Somalia??

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[–] gloss@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"When we hit rock bottom, we will bounce back," he said.

Or maybe you'll just go splat.

[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] kugel7c@feddit.de 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because shock therapy has been done before, and the west is effectively at war with the result right now. Argentina might not be as bad but it's easy to assume when looking at the history of the policy that it makes everything worse except for foreign and local elites.

[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Argentina has been bankrupt defaulted 7 SEVEN times.

They had over a decade of MORE AS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT INFLATION EACH YEAR.

This guy fixed it in one month by not overspending and bringing the peso to a level that is more in stroke with reality.

But the extreme leftish here on lemmy won't ever admit their zurdosdeemmmmmm fcked the country AND MANY OTHERS LIKE IT! for so long.

It's a pity that in developed countries you shouldnt vote right and in developing countries you shouldn't vote left. Both are abused by criminals and narcos and dictators

[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Argentine inflation is at 211.4% , the highest it's ever been in 32 years. The value of the Peso is about where it would be if it's existing downward trend had continued. Go check it, he's barely made a difference to it's value. I'm sure Milei's PR team is hard at work making up these claims but please fact check them because they're obviously BS.

[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

The real thing is the spending had to stop. They spend more as they get in and they DON'T have the FED NOR US ARMY

[–] gloss@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 year ago

This guy fixed it in one month

Did he?

Since he took office in December, Milei has slashed public spending, winning the approval of the International Monetary Fund and securing a budget surplus for the first time in 12 years in a country whose previous governments oversaw rampant inflation and multiple fiscal crises.

However, annual inflation has still risen to 254 percent, the price of bus tickets has more than tripled, and the government has frozen crucial aid to soup kitchens that have ever more mouths to feed.>

What did he fix?

[–] kugel7c@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Both are abused by criminals and narcos and dictators

Everything is subsumed and used by those hungry for power, and with the means to solidify it. That doesn't mean that the content of their claimed political thought doesn't have meaning, or that we can never conclude anything about humanity or its ideologies from looking at history, understanding theory, analyzing culture, power ...

Maybe understand why people here seem 'extreme' left, instead of just writing nonsensical, and obviously bad faith or confused arguments.

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[–] MadBigote@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

fixed

He didn't fix shit. If course he had a surplus, because he stopped spending for a period of time, But that doesn't mean the economy will be able to handle in the mid term.

[–] STOMPYI@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should normalize hating anyone of thing with hundreds of millions in wealth. The disparity must be called bs everywhere.

[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So the communist leaders of the last twenty years MADE THEIR MONEY IN POLITICS are much more to blame as a SOCCER MILLIONAIRE.. Right ? ⚽👍👍👍

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Whatabout! whatabout! Whatabout!

[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There are no communist leaders. Communism is an economic model not a governmental methodology. The term has been abused. To claim otherwise is to claim North Korea is a Democratic Republic.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There is no communism without a dictatorship. Nobody is going to donate everything they make to the collective, if there's no threat of gulag lingering around.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People do it all the time. Look up social libertarianism and anarcho communism.

Marxist Leninist are the authoritarian ones. Actual communists dislike ML too. They are at best nominally communist. By virtue of naming their authoritarian party "the Communist party" etc. But they largely reject actual communism.

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[–] TigrisMorte@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Other than most clan and every decent family, sure, yeah, whatever.

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[–] JustMy2c@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

You see how they personally attack me? Please feel free to check my other comments. I'm not some trump fan he's the joke of the world, I'm a reasonable person that has on site experience by living in south America. EACH AND EVERY LEFT WING HERE IS LINKED TO NARCO TERRORISM.

The right isn't even right at all. The extreme right in south America is more left as the liberals in the us of aholes. (except religious stuff, somehow religion and leftism has conquered people like the literal inquisition

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Argentina is where a surprising amount of zero day exploits are written.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Qualified tech workers combined with non-existent earnings prospects make for a perfect recipe for an exploits industry. Those things allegedly pay pretty well if you can find them.

It's also a great recipe for brain drain, with aforementioned qualified tech workers moving out of the country.

[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Can you ppl just block the milei cult members? Stop trying to argue with these kids

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