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I wish that even one of them invested into something that would actually help the society instead
Why do you think human like robots can not help humanity? Do you think people always must do the menial work?
Replacing human labor with humanoid machines will enrich the wealthy owners and nothing more.
The solution should be to fix our system which is designed to enrich the wealthy. We should fix this and have the machines/AI and automation to benefit everyone.
I feel like your solution is to not do the cool new innovative thing that has the potential to help everyone, and so let's just stay in this capitalist hellscape as is? At least if massive robot automation displaces tons of jobs, then the Working class might be forced to come together and fight back, maybe?
Your mindset is just to keep everything the way it currently is, which I think sucks.
Your mindset is just to keep everything the way it currently is, which I think sucks.
No, it isn't. Don't put words in my mouth. This is impossible anyway, things can't ever be kept the way they are.
The solution should be to fix our system which is designed to enrich the wealthy.
I agree with this completely. It needs to be done first, not second and not during.
I feel like your solution is to not do the cool new innovative thing that has the potential to help everyone
That's the point, it doesn't have the potential to help everyone until after the socioeconomic issues are resolved. We, the working class, should not be cheering for any of this until it has the potential to benefit and not harm us.
Ok fair enough.
My only last point would be that what if the socioeconomic changes we want could be resolved because of the technical/automation advancements? What if it's the only way to get the change we want? I'd see great hardship as a transition most probably.
I'm obviously just speculating here. I'm very very cynical about solving the socioeconomic issues first, I just don't see it happening, enstead we just stay business as usual. At least with a huge shift in automation causing massive job loss there is the potential for a big revolutionary change. No guarantee obviously, it could also only make things worse. We really don't know.
Genuine question how would we "fix" our society by removing those jobs and keep same or more people. What jobs would they do. Having robots do Amazon workhouse jobs would displace thousands of people who work that for a job where would they go. They can't just become software developers or medical workers etc. The way I see it is we just need more jobs in general so removing some is a total negative unless we have somewhere for them to go.
Not everyone needs to work. Many jobs are useless or detrimental to our existence.
We need to think about fundamental changes in how our societies run.
Think about how much wealth the richest people in our world have. Would it be so bad if they lived in a regular house if it meant living in a world where everyone has accomodation, food, health care and education - and the work that is done is that which is actually useful to our survival and development as a species.
Why be so committed to the idea that “everyone needs to work” for some arbitrary reason to build useless plastic things, or countless variations of the same thing with different packaging. Why are we continuing to live in a world that throws perfectly good food into dumpsters and landfill just to keep prices at a certain level. The world we are living in now is totally nonsensical.
If people had the security of being able to leave their job and not face eviction, starvation, or poor health they would have the freedom to retrain, learn more, and move onto something which is of actual benefit.
We don’t need countless food delivery drivers, bankers, or stock brokers. All of those people would benefit us much more by doing nothing. We don’t need more jobs, we need less jobs.
Imagine a world where we do the work needed to build the housing, education facilities, food and energy production we actually need. Then we are free to build technology which benefits us instead of enslaving us. We could live without poisoning our environment and driving our planet deeper into climate change and extinction.
If we lived in that world we would be able to build humanoid robots to do the work we don’t want to do, and it would benefit us all. We would have more time to pursue our own interests and passions. No people put out of jobs, who then become homeless, who then need to turn to crime for survival, and no need build humanoid killer robots to hunt us all down when we all lose our jobs.
I dont have a solution, that's why I'm cynical. It is perfectly OK to say "I don't know".
That being said, you're way of thinking is very myopic and only fits our current society standard / zeitgeist.
Why do people need to do these menial jobs at all? You're answer is probably that they won't have money to pay for food, rent, etc. What if we had a society where people could pursue hobbies, interests, passions, etc, without fear of homelessness and starvation? Why can't we reach for something much better than what we have now?
Some people would exploit such a system and never contribute to society and just sit around playing video games all day? So what, who gives a shit?
Just because this would be extremely difficult, and we have absolutely no idea how to do it, doesn't mean we should just give up and not try. The current system sucks ass. People shouldn't be wasting there time doing menial pointless labor to keep the wealthy rich, just to survive a pointless existence.
30 years later.....sir, we tracked the last penny. Robert Robertson from El Cajon California seems to be in possession of it but is telling everyone that he lost it under the couch. What should we do?
....deploy the couch crunching robots!
Ok, stop using computers, any other tools, electricity, any building, and go live in the cave or something, and even there do not even think to use a stick to help yourself. Because all of those are tools and replacing human labor.
Camera replaced my job churning out ad copy? guess I'll fucking die then.
You seem to think that real-world decisions must be all-or-nothing, and that somehow all technology can be conflated with humanoid robots. This is nonsense, and you shouldn't be immediately jumping to an extreme position.
Tools, such as computers and electricity, enhance human capabilities but don't directly replace human work.
The only function of a humanoid robot is to replace a human. A humanoid robot is not a tool, it's a substitute.
Exactly. Because the only ones benefitting from lower cost labor are those who own or run corporations. Workers will just lose jobs and there is no guarantee enough new jobs will open up once things settle.
The problem with this under capitalism is the working class won't see any benefit from robots taking mental jobs. The remaining jobs can rely on desperation instead of better pay to attract workers. If we were under a system that supported ubi, then yeah robots can take whatever job idgaf, I could find something that makes me happy. But that isn't how capitalism works
You must be very young to think like this...
Sorry but the world is about domination and profits for the rich. Humans are lost and the planet is losing life support for us soon.
Their society is the shareholders.
I could be totally wrong, but these kinds of billionaire class investments sound to me like a big money laundering scheme.
Just like "art" investment.
I swear to god how are all these tech billionaires that grew up as nerds not seeing what they are doing
“What does any man with power want?”, asks the Oracle in The Matrix. “More power.”
Agree these aren't the people I want doing this, but are you saying we should tuck heads in sand and just not build robots?
Agree with your comment. It seems most people are conservative about stuff like this due to fear.
I personally want the AI and the cool robot stuff, without hesitation. Our problem (imo) is our current corrupt, exploitative capitalist system. We need regulation that protects the entire populace, not just the billionaire and corporate leadership class. All these advancements should absolutely be explored, but for the benefit of all, and protections for everyone.
How we fix this though, I'm cynical. Which is why I respect people who are mostly afraid of the possible negative consequences.
I want Rosie the robot from the Jetsons, who vacuums and does the ironing. Instead we will probably get the RoboCop and the Terminator.
I'm sensing that were more likely to see robot cops (like from Elysium) than we are to see Rosie
Yes. If ethical standards don't exist for an industry then it shouldn't fucking exist.
No, but there definitely should be a billion safeguards on it, and they should in no way be under the direct control of those already in positions of power
I don’t get why everyone’s always trying to build humanoids. It doesn’t need to have a human head and operating feet to be a good sex partner.
Sci-fi robots are still teasing the minds of many. Like hoverboards. And Mars colonization. Although many of them are pretty unpragmatic and consist of more problems that they'd solve.
yes, but at us a bonus and more options
Because they want to replace the complexities and pitfalls of human relationships with something compliant that they can fuck without it asking for anything in return.
I know we're probably far from that but damn I I just want a robot to do the dishes. That would honestly be valuable and I'd be willing to pay a lot for it.
Problem is this robot will probably be on some subscription and soon with ads.
"Hey Robot please do the dishes"
"Sure - but have you considered that you'd get cleaner dishes if you bought this detergent?"
If I could buy it once and own it though, that'd be great.
You know of the existence of dishwashers, right?
I want a robot to fill and empty the dishwasher.
Exactly. Not that I don’t appreciate the automation we have, but this is one of the domestic “last mile” problems - along with proper dusting and loading and folding laundry - that need to be solved.
They need to rewatch terminator
Yeah because those are some names everybody associates with ethical responsibility. /s
The effing advertisement for an iPad at the end of that article......64GB of Ram. Lol.
9th gen iPads have 8GB ram. The 64GB is the tiny bit of storage it gives you.
don't forget to carry your No. 3 Robertson head non-slip screwdriver.
So what is this startup human-like for?
I'm glad to hear this and hopefully it fulfills my fantasy of having sex with Clippy.
I hate to give car example however do you see "legs" on cars/bicycles? Just imagine a running car.
I would say they secretly want to replace infantry however nationalist humans are cheaper to produce.
