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"The US should do X and they suck because they don't!" Each state has it's own laws on education. Some places suck, some do not. It's not a monolith.

"The US has shitty beer lol" We have some of the best beer in the world but it's local/state/region only and never exported unlike fancy Euro beer.

The US for better or worse is a, hmmm πŸ€” a unity of government states under a federation called America. It's very hard to get federal laws and bills passed, especially for education. The states want the power to chooses for themselves what they do, and the federal government hangs above them, sometimes intervening.

We are a huge country that has a relatively unique circumstance of government, population, and young brutal history. I'm a Californian and I live in the Bay Area which almost literally a different country than most of America, especially the South and Midwest.

I'm so sick of people, especially smug Europeans, talking like they know Americans and America but they don't really know shit about us except the movies and going to NYC and Miami.

Yes I am having a bad day.

To be honest I love Europe and have friends there that I miss dearly! I've been many times. But dumbassery is dumbassery.

EDIT: You people are an exhausting swarm of pecking ravens and I've spent all the "toxic" energy I want arguing with half you because you just hear what you want to hear and fit the stereotype I loathe I think you only commented out of trained reflex and a few of you are just unsophisticated haters. Whatever, fuck you, and all that jazz.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Like it or not, you're a superpower.

What you do, and how you do it matters to the rest of the planet.

We have no choice but to watch, and what we see isn't encouraging.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also, everyone loves underdog. The inverse is true. No one likes updog.

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a trail of corruption, poverty, death and destruction everywhere America gets involved in the world. This country loves war and profits from it. Social reforms are in reverse gear at the federal level. Your healthcare is shite and no one can afford to buy a house. The gap between rich and poor has grown exponentially with the richest paying the least tax. This is a country run by mendacious and violent con men for idiots. Not only do you have a gigantic and corrupt military industrial complex, you also have a prison industrial complex, with more prisoners than any other industrialised nation. America sucks ass bro.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 year ago (9 children)

A single country when it's convenient, 50+ semi independent governments when it comes time to deal with criticism?

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yes unlike other countries that dont have any sort of local government whatsoever.

Like the UK is one big monolith government. Definitely not 4 individual countries with their own parliaments that have counties with their own local governments and those counties have local councils with their own councillors and bylaws.

Germany only has the German government, not seperate states.

Spain doesnt have regions that are trying to gain independence.

France doesnt have regions on the other side of the atlantic with their own local government.

Canada doesnt have provinces

Nor does Autralia have states

etc. etc. for literally every country except like the vatican.

America is just so special and different

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Special and different enough that it should be wearing a helmet and have childproof caps on the paste.

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[–] daed@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly though, America is different and special. We have states the size of the some of those countries, and states with GDPs that eclipse most of the countries you listed. Local government is a completey different scale at some levels than any of those countries you mentioned. It's important to remember we are all different, and that's not a bad thing.

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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The US is really like the EU both in scale and differences between individual states. National laws are generally just high level and very broad, with the laws most people directly interact with being state, county, city, and other local levels.

[–] Poiar@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The EU is more diverse than the US. There's literally a language barrier everywhere you go. E.g., a Hawaiian and a Texan are more alike than, say, a Finn is to a Cypriot.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I went to Georgia recently, and they're definitely speaking a different language down there. I could not understand a word

[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

There is more to diversity than language... Race, religion, socio-economic status, and political beliefs are just a few other dimensions.

If you broaden your definition for diversity beyond language, the US isn't as homogenous as you're implying.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago

Is there? No matter where I go in Europe, it doesn't seem to be a big issue to find English speakers. It feels like the urban parts are settling on a second language now that trade and travel borders have vanished.

If the EU sticks around for a generation, I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing European nations reflecting the same demographic oddities that you see in the US regarding age of residents.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah but tell that to the Texans.

Maybe the issue is just that you don't realize how much we hate each other? Like America is dysfunctionally divisive at this point, there would probably be some offense at the idea that the two are alike. Republican-led states definitely don't want to be compared to Democrat-led ones, and vice-versa. Maybe I just dunno how much you hate each other on the continent, but I'd bet a Finn would be nicer to a Cypriot than a Texan would be to a Hawaiian.

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The US is really like the EU both in scale and differences between individual states

Bwahahahahhaha! No.

Americans always love to think this is true, but it's nowhere remotely true. The US has an actual federal government. The EU does not, all EU members are sovereign states.

Secondly, difference between individual states? Rofl-fucking-mao.

No your slight change in accent (not in dialect), and slightly different local delicacies are nowhere near comparable to Europe.

The US has a few hundred years of history and most come from the same dozen or less groups from Europe.

The difference between just the top of my country and the bottom of my country is larger than aany state differences in the US. Well, except for, idk, state laws. But language, customs, cuisine. The modern European states have formed all from several distinct groups. The modern nation-state only started being a thing a bit more than a century ago.

All modern European states are made up hundreds and hundreds of previous, hundreds of years old groups.

No offense, but the comparison is pretty ridiculous on most levels.

The EU isn't a federation. (Yet.)

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm talking about laws. Differences like being able to freely open carry in some states while others barely allow anyone to even possess a gun. Or how some states have universal state healthcare and other do not. Or how drugs are handled, with many states ignoring the federal prohibition.

Sure, we share a lot of language and a generic background identity of being 'American', but the legal differences are massively varied from state to state.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm talking about laws.

I can promise you that the sovereign European states which have their own constitutional laws and practices differ more from each other than US states do.

You have state laws, sure, but you also have federal laws. We don't. There are EU regulations, and through those regulations, the sovereign states synchronise their own laws if it suits the situation.

Do you think the laws for guns are the same for us Finns as they are for the Greeks or Spaniards or Swiss?

Do you think the healthcare systems are federated in Europe? That everyone has the same system? The systems often vary from state to state within the member states. (I could tell you horror stores of our country trying to integralize our systems.)

Th EU decided everyone should have universal healthcare, because it's objectively just good. So it was agreed and then they make the regulations on what it should achieve. Not how it should be done or anything.

So each sovereign state gets to find their own way into the solution.

The U.K. has the National Health Service (NHS), a government-operated system. One also finds public systems in Italy and Spain, while France has a public/private system. But the system in Switzerland is a privatized system, with subsidized insurance. The Swiss system is, in some respects, comparable to the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare, but with much stricter regulations and much more comprehensive coverage. Obamacare pales in comparison to the Swiss system, although it’s much better than the β€œlet the sick, lowly peasants die in the streets” approach of the Republican Party.

Uhm, about drugs? Cannabis is still schedule 1 federally, but it hasn't stopped the states from doing their own de facto thing. I wonder... A few years before the first state legalised recreational marijuana, if you wanted to have a holiday in a place you could smoke weed, where'd you go?

Aaaahmm... Aaaaaaammmm... Amsterdam. Or Prague.

The drug practices vary wildly by country.

but the legal differences are massively varied from state to state.

Sure, but I think you might agree that actually from country to country it might vary even more, seeing as your states all started from the same common law system and history of the system a few hundred years ago. Whereas there's hanging rocks and churches older than the US on my way to the city.

The point being that while we regulate our international unions systems and try to synchronize them despite most having been apart and developed into their own (from roman systems, over the course of two millenia), you have a federated system and want to set your own systems.

It's like. The opposites.

I may be on an ambiem or two currently. But it was a fascinating thought.

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[–] Mitchie151@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I can appreciate that some states are better than others, in a similar manner to being able to appreciate that some EU countries are better than others. I've visited the USA and so I've seen first hand the good and the bad.

It doesn't change the fact that globally, you are represented by your federal government and not your local state ones. As an Australian I might expect a foreigner to know our Prime Minister but never a state premier.

From overseas we just see a lot of the insane shit. Politically, the whole world is interested your federal elections because that is what has a chance to affect us. I don't care who the governor of a state is really because they aren't going to be able to declare some insane war or fuck over or save entire countries.

Even when we see state x legalizes y or outlaws z it just blurs together from out here. Much easier to see your own state doing good things when you're inside it.

And yeah, USA doesn't get enough credit for craft beer!

[–] Emmy@lemmy.nz 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bet this guy says "not all men" too.

[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I bet I say black lives matter, eat the rich, kill all billionaires, fuck the police, ACAB, hugs not bombs, no pity for the majority, and once or twice occupy. Def no not all men though. But I thought yes all men was poorly thought out.

If you want my pedigree of the things I believe from far left groups and ideologies and just things I might say at a rally you can't have it because you're a douche.

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

as someone who considers themselves left wing, you certainly fit into the right wing ideal of 'american exceptionalism', even going so far to generalise a whole part of the world.

racism usually isnt a tenent of the left, but i guess i just 'dont understand' how you guys do it over there :)

[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

pot, meet kettle

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thiught you guys are united or something. It's in the name

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

That's kind of like saying "I thought the EU was a Union".

OP's point is that the federal government mainly exists to regulate interstate issues and foreign affairs, but what occurs within the confines of a single state isn't in the purview of their authority most of the time.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No they simply come from the rest of the world where it doesnt really matter how u do what u do just that you do it.

This is an extrodinarilly american centered view of the world and failes to see the bigger picture that your fucked up system is just one piece in a bigger pie of global society.

You all fly the same flag its on you for being incapable of self organising. You might not think it but texas says just as much about u as a californian as california says about u. The rest of the world treats america as a monolith because to us from the outside thats all that really matters to us.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but this massively discounts the fact that Texas and California might as well be two separate countries. You're doing the equivalent of equating Spain and Poland because they're both in the EU. Would you really expect Spanish citizens to self-organise and protest due to Poland's abortion ban? Would a Spaniard ever expect that protest to be effective?

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

But the europe is working on adding abortion to European Convention on Human Rights. Ie europe as a whole is self organising to effect such things as a whole. The people in spain can protest for that and expect some level of success. It would seem that europe as a whole can better self organise and take responsibility for their misguided members than the USA can of its states.

I think the way u see it is a coping mechanism so you dont have to take any responsibility for any of the bad shit that goes on in other states. You personally should feel responsible and guilty of the shit that your countries extremists are doing in government not just give up and put it in the not my state not my problem basket. Go to the friggin capital and protest to the federal government dont wash your hands of the mess and shift blame.

Hell the trumpians stormed the godamn capital to protest what they beleived in. You and your beleifs have simply given up and called it an issue with other states. You live in a godamn democracy you dont like how things are change them you as an individual have the "god given right" to complain to protest to run friggin propaganda campaigns to shout at every street corner go change the world dont just sit in ur cushy little state and blame other people for your countries failures.

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[–] Nougat@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As usual, the answer is "It's more complicated than that."

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I'm sure the masses on social media with their 7 second attention spans and endless propaganda will get to the bottom of it.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

To sum up, nobody likes being generalized.

And, apparently, when Americans say we don't like being generalized, literally everyone else will take offense, and then generalize us.

[–] Worx 8 points 1 year ago

I hate that the US made this post. They suck for doing that

[–] Kroxx@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Damn near everyone commenting is missing the point

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes I am having a bad day.

I hope your day improves our the next day is better.

I also hope your governments improve or the next are better, but frankly all your governments suck.

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this poster’s argument feigning ignorance of distinction between local vs. federal laws?

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