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Hamas has offered Israel multiple very tenable peace deals that include the immediate release of all Israeli prisoners and absolutely no demand for reparations for rebuilding the strip that is now thought to be uninhabitable for 70 years. Israel has denied every single one.
They have always wanted palestinians to be exterminated. This is Israel's dream scenario.
Source on previous offers from Hamas?
I remember hearing one that was basically surrender and leave Israel
There were no such propositions and they have refused to give number of alive hostages since that was a condition for continued talks.
I've heard similar things in the opposite direction, that early when Israel was being split up, they offered Palestinians reasonable deals to have part of the land, including Jerusalem, that they refused because they wanted the whole thing, and therefore Israel got it all. No sources of course, just interesting that both sides say similar things.
If someone entered my house and was trying to illegally force me out I also wouldn't want to settle for only losing half my home.
That's a revisionist version of the peace process and what happened
Partition has always been used as a way to take more Palestinian land, while Palestinians were repeatedly advocating for a Unitary / Binational State
Both sides have said the same thing and offered peace deals that the other side is unwilling to accept, doesn't really matter if neither side wants to negotiate. Sucks that the civilians just have to suffer while two assholes fight it out.
There's only one side Genociding civilians right now and that's israel. There is no "both sides".
Israel is a Nazi state.
Hamas is terrible, Palestine is not. Hamas and Israel are in a symbiotic relationship to keep each other in power ruining the lives of all Palestinians. Hamas is in control because of work Israel did against the Palestinian Authority. That’s an important distinction you need to make. While also stating that Israel is an apartheid state committing genocide.
The big problem is that both the PA and Hamas lead to the same result: israel commits Genocide and annexes land.
Hamas is a convenient fear mongering tool but they are reliable for peace deals. Israel is the party that keeps breaking those.
Well... I guess those Israelis that were butchered at that concert don't count, then?
Hamas is a terrorist organisation that has killed and kidnapped civilians. Israel killing more civilians doesn't make Hamas any less of a despicable bunch of fucks.
Even including all the IDF kills Hamas has a 2:1 civilian casualty rate. The word Genocide is impossible to use there.
And who is currently killing civilians right now. Is the date 7 october 2023?
Are you really arguing that Hamas are the good guys because of their lower "civilian casualty rate"? Like, "yeah, they killed a lot of civilians, but the others killed more, so they're the good guys, touché"? Are you insane?
You're presenting a false dichotomy.
What Hamas did was a terrible, unforgivable act of terrorism. They should be punished for this - it doesn't matter whether the victims were civilian or not.
But Hamas isn't murdering thousands of Israeli civilians right now - only Israel is murdering thousands of Palestinian civilians. Only one of these parties is currently engaged in genocide.
This is just an explanation of what the other user was expressing. You are projecting terrible opinions onto them that they haven't even come close to expressing.
If the terms don't include "kill all Palestinians" Israel isn't going to accept them.
Whats a ceasefire worth if Hamas keeps breaking ceasefires?
The only thing a ceasefire is getting Hamas off scott free after killing thousands of Isarelis, and letting Hamas regroup and launch another Oct 7th.
The word ceasefire does not mean israel can bomb children in Gaza and Hamas does not retaliate. Because that is what was happening on Oct6.
Thousands does not mean hundreds. Counting is difficult.
Do you have an independent source saying Israel was bombing Hamas on Oct 6th? Not Al Jeezera.
Can you first make a list of dependable sources? Is it the IDF website?
I looked for the Al Jazeera article you mentioned and found that the 19-year-old who was killed by Israeli settlers in the West Bank on October 6 was named Labib Dmaidi. Then I made a Google search for Labib Dmaidi, filtered to remove aljazeera.com. I hope this helps!
How many dead children is a good trade for 600 Israeli military? Just wondering :)
Are you not familar with Oct 7th, the whole reason theyre fighting this time?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel
"the whole reason" lol. You're trolling or a paid shill.
The only thing a ceasefire is getting Israel off scott free after killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, and letting Israel regroup and launch another October - March.
Here's a thought: Stop funding Hamas
To sum up right now. Israel's pre condition is the release of all hostages. Which is also all of Hamas' leverage. Hamas' pre condition is to feed civilians. Terrorist stuff isn't great but the white house and Israel are letting Hamas dunk on them in PR.
I don't think the Israeli government has any interest in a truce, and especially not one with those terms.
Narrator: They didn't.
The only 'terms' the Israeli government will accept is the complete removal of every trace of Palestine.
This would be great. The Palestinian people need real aid, right now. I hope Israel figures their shit out and pulls their troops out of Gaza.
I have a feeling they won’t do that. They’ll call the demands unreasonable, say Hamas refused to negotiate in good faith, and keep killing indiscriminately.
Israel (Zionism) has an explicit goal to ethnically cleanse the "lesser people" and establish a fascist state who has a holy duty and right to enslave all lesser people
So yeah, this has been going on for 75 years directly because of Zionist ideology, it's not going to stop now. History didn't start on Oct 7th.