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Democrats who attack the rich do better in elections. The party should take notice
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I agree. If a democrat ran up and garroted Jeff Bezos, or went all Tanya Harding on Elon Musk's knees, I would vote for them.
Literally, if a politician was imprisoned for firebombing a billionaires house I would be intrigued by their campaign.
nah, they're gonna make fun of Trump for being broke with childish nicknames instead. sink down to his level while making him sound more relatable to all the broke people they want to vote for them. sometimes i think they're trying to lose.
Their campaign is literally "It'll be worse under the other guy."
Losing now is the best way for them to win in four years. It is how it has been for decades. When's the last time one party held the presidency for two consecutive candidates? It's a neverending metronome, except the needle moves more to the right each time.
Assuming that we'll have fair elections in 4 years if Trump wins may prove to be one of the worst mistakes this country's voters have ever made.
When was the last time there was a fair election? Both parties conventions cram the most unpopular candidates down your throats, and always slowly sliding to the right.
Just because something is bad doesn't mean it can't get much worse. Look at elections in Russia and China if you need inspiration.
You think it can get worse than an 80 year old Zionist vs an 80 year old fascist?
Yes, I literally gave you 2 glaring examples that you blatantly ignored. Since you clearly aren't arguing in good faith at this point ill proceed to ignore you.
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When's the last time one party held the presidency for two consecutive candidates?
Obama? Then immediately before that W? Then immediately before that Clinton?
In the last 50 years only Bush Sr and Trump have served single terms.
Two consecutive candidates. As in two different people, who run under the same party. Not two terms.
Dude we're unprecedented territory and that is basically a gambler's fallacy. There's absolutely no reason to believe that the patterns of the past will continue. For example, Biden already disrupted the power of the Incumbent president and ousted Donald short of 2 terms, which itself is a rarity not seen since Carter.
"Worse than the other guy" is basically all that people can take at this point, and I think the best argument going into the election. It works because it's one of the only arguments against valid criticisms of Biden. "Yes, he is old; but he is better than the other guy for x, y, and z." Nothing wrong with this strategy.
I do agree that Democrats need to punch back harder, though.
I do agree that Democrats need to punch back harder, though
Specifically, they desperately need to punch Netanyahu in the face and cut off arms shipments, because polling shows that people in the US are pissed as hell that we are enabling genocide and Netanyahu repeatedly publicly humiliates Biden in a way that could not be a more obvious sign that Netanyahu is banking on Trump winning.
I honestly hope you're right, so would you mind linking me to that polling?
My concern is this: Last I checked a majority of Jewish Americans are still pretty sympathetic to Israel, and the Biden administration must toe the line between pissing off Palestinian Americans and Progressives, and a large traditionally-loyal voting bloc that is Jewish Americans.
If Democrats pivot hard against Netanyahu, they run the risk of Republican ads appealing to low-education voters that, "Biden is sympathetic to Hamas and has no sympathy for October 7th, undermining the defense of Israel and risking another terrorist attack! iS BiDen an aNtiSeMiTe!?"
So from a strategic standpoint, I completely understand the predicament the Biden strategists are in. Obviously you can tell they want to distance themselves from Israel and Netanyahu but not without undermining an essential voting bloc and letting the literal fascist in office who DEFINITELY does not care remotely about being complicit in genocide.
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Generally speaking, they do want to lose. If they actually ran on their universally popular policies, they'd win majorities large enough to where they wouldn't have excuses to not enact their legislative mandate, which is at odds with what their corporate donors want.
Anyone from poor decaying rural America has had enough conversations with republicans with oddly class related philosophies to feel this comment hard
It’s not that they are just doing childish nicknames, they are making all sorts of statements every day about concrete goals, values, and things they want to fix or make better, it’s just that the only things you notice are things like the childish nicknames because… that’s the sort of thing that grabs people’s attention which is the reason they are trying out that tactic as well!
You yourself probably don’t slog through the boring articles, interviews, press statements, and so on, where they just present plans and ideas rather than headline grabbers. If you did, you wouldn’t paint such a simplistic picture, or wonder if it must be some conspiracy involving thousands of people to purposely lose.
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I love how the post I saw immediately before this was about Biden's new Trump insult, 'Broke Don'. So insult your rivals by calling them poor, definitely a good way to relate to struggling voters.
Yeah well Biden doesn't really need to appeal to liberals and progressives when it comes to Trump. However making his idiotic base doubt him by calling me poor little bitch will definitely weaken Trump's position.
For 8 years now his base has been firmly convinced that the mainstream establishment is an enemy of Trump and 'the people'. From what I've seen any words against Trump coming from establishment liberals is more likely to entrench Trumps support than weaken it.
It's pointing out that he is weak. Literally one of the main reasons people liked him was that he "couldn't be bought" and he was going to "self fund his campaign"
Remember, before this they were just saying how scary Trump was. I think mocking him is far more effective
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However making his idiotic base doubt him by calling me poor little bitch will definitely weaken Trump's position.
Thanks for taking one for the team, poor little bitch.
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"Broke Don" is a masterpiece.
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Consume the wealthy.
Eat the rich.
This is a composition effect. Democratic candidates who run for safer, more left-wing constituencies feel free to propose more radical left-wing policies, especially if their main threats are other democrats during primaries. They then go on to win because they're not running in competitive elections. You can use the same reasoning to conclude that Republicans who attack abortion and socialism do better in elections.
I don't buy it. Red states hate billionaires even more than blue states. Centrist Democrats have nothing to offer to Republican voters to change their minds. Progressives speak directly to the economic issues that plague red states.
I mean, red states elected a billionaire because he was a billionaire.
But Centrist Democrats think that if they just kick progressives harder, they'll gain the favor of the three remaining moderate Republicans.
They elected a billionaire because he attacked other billionaires. He voices their rage at the "elitists" in Washington, and he pretends to be one of them.
Red states hate billionaires even more than blue states
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Doesn't matter if they don't actually do anything though...
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