The bridge is basically valueless compared to everything else about the ship and cargo plus the lawsuits from various contract breaches and other damages. Port shutdowns, environmental cleanup, insurance losses. $100m is a rounding error.
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It's cost is both material and in the business of links from one side to the other. It's almost certainly worth multi billions at this point.
And not just the business from one side of the land to the other, but also from the port to… everywhere out in the ocean. With the old bridge remnants blocking ships, that’s a LOT of lost business…
It doesn't matter what the bridge is worth, the owners are only liable up to the value of the ship. They're protected by US and International law. The owners will be filing to limit their liability soon if they haven't done so already.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/maritime-law/Limitation-of-liability
Interesting.
This formula means, generally speaking, that the shipowner is entitled to limit his liability for the negligence of the master or crew, but not for his own personal negligence or that of his managerial personnel.
Does this mean, if the captain fucks up their liability is limited, but if the accident is caused due to systematic poor maintenance maybe not?
[IANAL]To a degree yes, this is why they love to find human error, it gets them covered by their insurance and limits the liability. Systemic issues that can be proven to come from the office would open them up. This is all before we get into shell companies and vessel charters .
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They were on the phone with bankruptcy lawyers before dawn. That is the ones that didn't just disappear into hiding.
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So cars these days have anti-collision systems. One would think a million dollar boat, with millions of dollars in cargo, approaching a multimillion dollar bridge would have some sort of active sensing system to prevent a collision. That video shows the Dali strolling right into the support. It wasn't a glancing blow, rather it was a direct hit. Either somebody f'd up big time, or major act of sabotage on US territory.
Apparently, the Dali lost all power. Anti collision kind of needs power to work, so having it would not matter regardless
As an electrical engineer I will say there are giant thick sections of code for backup power regarding life safety systems. Generally a backup generator will keep running even if on fire and breaking just to keep power on... backup batteries on even more sensitive equipment provides even more redundancy. Power failure leading to a disaster is a engineering failure.
Yeah, still an utterly disastrous fuck up. Just wanted to point out that collision systems wouldn't matter in this case
But you'd think for a major port they'd have other types of backups not ship supported but based on maintaining the safety of the port. Like if a major ship goes dead and starts free floating in the port, isn't there safety protocols or systems in place to deal with that? Tug boats, anchoring, emergency power, support ships or something .... even if it cost millions, it's better than spending millions in recovering from a destroyed bridge and lives lost.
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Lost power as in no longer able to control its direction and speed.
Even if backup power is still feeding your detection system, all it can do is tell you what you can already see in front of you: your gonna hit that bridge. Still nothing you can do about it.
Maybe they were inspired by Boeing to skip the QA checkups on some of those systems 😉
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I wouldn't think anti-collision systems would be feasible on a container ship: they're too big with too much inertia. It can take miles to slow to a stop or execute a turn. It's not like a car, where you can just hit the brakes and have immediate results. All that extra braking and re-accelarating would burn a bunch more fuel, too.
A good anti collision system here could be a dude with binoculars lol!
Don’t need binoculars. As the ship drifted out of control, they had a clear view of the bridge they had no power to avoid.
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Best guess atm is they lost power when approaching the bridge, they, at least periodically got it back, but given that they had lost power they were taking measures to stop themselves. They put their engine in reverse and dropped their anchor. Both of these cause the ship to go off course as they slowed it down pulling it out of the center lane it was in. Basically the crew panicked when trying to do the right thing and did everything wrong.
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Can you get insurance for a ship?
Yes, there's rather shady business surrounding ship insurance, actually.
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Estimates I could find said $60-$120 million
I assume wrongful debt suits are gonna eclipse that tho
I think that's when it was built. A superstructure like a major port bridge will be well into the billions in 2024 money.
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They'll declare bankruptcy before they fish the victims out of the water
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