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[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nobody is forcing me to use Office or Teams, but I'm stuck with a single ISP.

Why won't regulators even LOOK at the ISP oligopoly? For fucks sake.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because you probably do have at least two options for ISPs, it's just that one option is DSL and lawmakers still struggle with understanding color television.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Yes you can get dial-up, DSL, cell network data, or even satellite! These services are clearly equivalent to cable or fiber in the ISP marketplace.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

My ISP overlords added fiber to my neighborhood and have stopped allowing DSL signups. Well they also didn't replace the copper in my yard (fiber is only available across the street and I've spent 3 years trying to get AT&T to come across to my side). So my options are cable, or cable, or T-Mobile hotspot (it would be against their TOS though).

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Said oligopoly has those wittle reguwators on a string

[–] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The company says Office 365 suites with Teams will no longer be sold to new business subscribers, but will continue to be available for existing customers that opt to continue using the bundled products, even upon renewal.

So if your company already has 365 that includes teams, as long as it renews 365 there’s no additional/separate cost for Teams?

[–] OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah they've rolled it out to everyone, got a defacto monopoly and now they're increasing the rates for new customers.

This is just capitalism 101 while pretending it's for the regulators.

[–] Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Perhaps, but my concern is investing time and energy helping customers learn a system and that system becoming financially unsustainable. I welcome change, but my customers don’t. Hearing that it’s only for new customers is a relief.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is a big deal for me. I’ve got a MS account for Azure but I use Google suite for email etc. I can’t sign into teams at all with the account that matches my email address because it’s not a 365 account. I end up looking very unprofessional struggling to log into a Teams meeting hosted by a prospective client.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

Do not worry, everyone that uses Teams on a daily basis knows the most professional action is to defenestrate the machine running it.

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[–] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems weird to be honest. I would agree on removing personal Teams from new Windows installations, but if you are locked in Microsoft 365 environment it is very unlikely you will not use Teams due to how well it integrates with whole ecosystem.

It's almost as asking to unbundle Outlook because Thunderbird exists.

[–] piracysails@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe a solution like on Android where users are given a choice of a few app on first setup?

[–] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Would be nice for new OS install, including default browser choice and maybe even cloud storage.

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[–] joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Linux mint still going fresh as every day.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

And is dogshit in a business environment.

As some background - I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I'd stuck with Cobol).

I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured it as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery.

There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.

There are many reasons why Linux doesn't compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.

Now let's look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that's just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. No, I'm not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That's just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn't realistically shareable with other people.

Now there's that print monitor that's on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?

Networking... Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn't say "save creds"? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.

Someone else said it better than me:

Every time I've installed Linux as my main OS (many, many times since I was younger), it gets to an eventual point where every single thing I want to do requires googling around to figure out problems. While it's gotten much better, I always ended up reinstalling Windows or using my work Mac. Like one day I turn it on and the monitor doesn't look right. So I installed twenty things, run some arbitrary collection of commands, and it works.... only it doesn't save my preferences.

So then I need to dig into .bashrc or .bash_profile (is bashrc even running? Hey let me investigate that first for 45 minutes) and get the command to run automatically.. but that doesn't work, so now I can't boot.. so I have to research (on my phone now, since the machine deathscreens me once the OS tries to load) how to fix that... then I am writing config lines for my specific monitor so it can access the native resolution... wait, does the config delimit by spaces, or by tabs?? anyway, it's been four hours, it's 3:00am and I'm like Bryan Cranston in that clip from Malcolm in the Middle where he has a car engine up in the air all because he tried to change a lightbulb.

And then I get a new monitor, and it happens all damn over again. Oh shit, I got a new mouse too, and the drivers aren't supported - great! I finally made it to Friday night and now that I have 12 minutes away from my insane 16 month old, I can't wait to search for some drivers so I can get the cursor acceleration disabled. Or enabled. Or configured? What was I even trying to do again? What led me to this?

I just can't do it anymore. People who understand it more than I will downvote and call me an idiot, but you can all kiss my ass because I refuse to do the computing equivalent of building a radio out of coconuts on a deserted island of ancient Linux forum posts because I want to have Spotify open on startup EVERY time and not just one time. I have tried to get into Linux as a main dev environment since 1997 and I've loved/liked/loathed it, in that order, every single time.

I respect the shit out of the many people who are far, far smarter than me who a) built this stuff, and 2) spend their free time making Windows/Mac stuff work on a Linux environment, but the part of me who liked to experiment with Linux has been shot and killed and left to rot in a ditch along the interstate.

Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM's on Linux (Proxmox) because that's better than running Linux VM's of a Windows server.

Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment.

If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would've had a chance to beat MS, even then it would've required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.

These are what MS did in the 1980's to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.

Also, not sure what Linux has to do with Teams.

[–] joewilliams007@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

well kinda feel sorry for ya that your job requires excel or any of that office trash. Obviously doesnt work out for you then.

I run mint for some years on desktop and about a year on laptop now. I dont have any issues on either and it just feels good booting into them. I never once had the urge or need to go back to windows. And i think this is true for many people.

And the terminal is just sth thats at its core. If you dont want to learn it then a system like that isnt for you. In all reality, if one learns its, it is much easier than using three different windows setting interfaces with bloat popping up everywhere. Installing software in linux easy. In windows navigate through twenty ads or visit a poor store.

Or windows having a mix of consoles/powershells and more shit nowadays with different command namings. In Linux. Its just sinple terminal. Not to mention command prompt and its siblings taking four+ seconds to open on a new decent windows pc. Wtf?

imo windows bloat makes it unusable. The skill required to learn terminal basics is far smaller than learning all that windows shit.

[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 6 points 1 year ago

Office is shit in many ways, but unfortunately there’s nothing that truly competes with it. Not even LibreOffice comes close.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

well kinda feel sorry for ya that your job requires excel or any of that office trash.

You mean like hundreds of millions of other jobs the world over?

Microsoft wouldn't spend money on continuing to develop Office enterprise editions if it didn't make them a whole lot more than they spend.

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[–] Akisamb@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Now let's look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that's just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. No, I'm not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That's just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn't realistically shareable with other people.

Am I missing something or isn't it exactly the same thing in libre office ?

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Linux as a whole is fresh asf.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

!antitrust@lemmy.ml is a good place to go for stories like this.

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