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Id ask him.

Republicans want trans people banned from playing in sports, this includes school sports. It was a major focus for their election marketing. Republicans used the example of Trans people playing in sports at the highest level. In these debates left winger pundits failed to present convincing arguments compared to the right wing pundits because the focus was on top 0.00001% of athletes where biological differences could be seen as unfair.

Because of this, the majority of Americans (66% of adults) now believe trans people should not play in gendered sports.

I am suggesting that instead of running from the discussion, we can respond and present a convincing argument on why trans people SHOULD be allowed to play in gendered sports.

My suggestion for a more convincing argument is that we focus on school sports because they precisely "kids having fun" and no reasonable person would fight to remove a 12 year old from playing with her friends on the netball team. Except this is exactly what is happening in some places and at threat of happening nationwide.

because this is not going to be a light read for a self-proclaimed intelligent centrist. What a strange opener? I've never claimed this. I have a feeling this entire comment is going to be attacking positions I did not mention and views I do not hold.

"The left is getting killed on the trans sports issue" Do you have any data backing this? And what analysis goes with the data?

Yes, source - pew research 66% of adults are against trans people in sports. This and other anti trans sentiment are up from 2017. Now the analysis that goes with that is i've watched a ton of online debate (which influences the opinions of all who view it) from the largest politcal and non politcal content creators for the past decade and there is a clear weaponization of trans issues. The reason these issues are being weaponized is because the right know that they can "win" debates on these issues. The arugments they use are not at all convincing in my opinion but they seem to sway the average person.

you could have said that the majority of German did not think Jews should be married to Germans. So what? So much for the argument that we should sacrifice human rights of ANY group because they are unpopular.

No you do not understand. I'll play on the example. If I had said that majority of Germans did not think Jews should marry Germans. I would be aruging that we need to convince majority of Germans that it is ok for Jews to marry germans by finding a argument that is strong.

By extension, what you suggest is morally corrupt and inhumane, and it is deeply fascist in its very conception.

What do you think im suggesting? I really do not think you at all understand what im suggesting. You're a .ml user so maybe you think that trying to present a convincing argument in favor of trans rights is morally corrupt.

You people hand-wave a fucking lot when you suggest that trans rights are so unpopular that they have lost you elections, when there have been multiple arguments that Democrats barely touched on the topic, apart from being loosely against killing trans people in pogroms and LUKEWARM at that. So your argument amounts to little more than “Fascist discourse is more trendy so let’s do that instead”, which is not JUST the Ratchet effect: it is “being complicit to actual genocide”.

Who is "you people"? I did not suggest that trans rights were so unpopular that they caused democrats to lose the election. I suggested that they were an issue that the right used to attack the left with great success (I know it was successful because they managed to shift public opinion significantly in a 4 year period). Even you claim that Democrats barely touched the topic, why do you think that was?

So your argument amounts to little more than “Fascist discourse is more trendy so let’s do that instead”, which is not JUST the Ratchet effect: it is “being complicit to actual genocide”.

No this is not my argument. Its not even remotely close.

I've responded to enough of this comment. It makes no sense, it might be AI slop and the people who upvoted it should be ashamed.

Ok I understand now, thanks

I don't think it was very good response. All the points he brings up do not change any of the outcomes. Fsr would likely still fail all these tests.

Ive watched a lot of AI driver and I think fsr is cool but its lack of lidar is a huge mistake and creates these dangerous situations whete Tesla isn't smart enough to mimic the awareness of a real driver.

Yes it was a distraction but its enshrined in law now. Its also still being used as a wedge issue. Yes there is almost no trans people competing at a high level but thay doesnt matter to most people. The right will blast the example over and over and over forcing people on the left to defend it. Its better to not defend it and to instead talk about participation in school sports (which is what the law actually impacts). I'm only suggesting engaging the topic became we need to convince people that repealing the law is a good thing and enshrining protections is even better.

Who are you arguing against? I'm pro trans. I'm not I'm favour of government deciding this. But the government has decided to take away this right and now that forces people to fight (rhetorically) to restore it. I'm only making the case on how I think this subject should be approached.

If you want to go and arguing trans people in pro sports again go ahead but the right loves that. Its the only position where they have an argument.

I hate how socialist has become mixed int9 political discourse. You don't need to be a democratic socialist or regular socialist to implement social policy. A democratic socialist is redundant because socialism is democratic (correct me if I'm wrong).

What is anon complaining about he did his job. He declared the war. Then he kicked the can down the road for someone else to get the job of winning it.

He's right but its hard to not be stupid. There will always be something you're wrong about and dont know. I think people will always be like this because not everyone cares about a certain thing. Its up to the people that care about the thing to make sure that the dominant information is correct and available.

Its a non issue but its still something on peoples minds thanks to right wingers constantly bringing it up and writing policy on it. Normally id say its fine to ignore it but since they've written policy on it left wingers need to reverse that and get protections in place.

I wish I was this mentally strong