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[–] [email protected] 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm sorry you had to deal with that, and glad it wasn't a much worse experience.

On my side, I am an older guy now, I used to teach martial arts and volunteer coaching young men and then went on to be a mod of a big men's subreddit for a spell, and the incel problem online is a lot worse than any of us realize. I think my peers at the time thought incels, redpill, MGTOW and all the other word-salad men's groups online were a passing fad, a speedbumb on our path to the bright, shining future of better ideas and equality.

Holy shit were we all wrong. Humans are SO easy to exploit that I am legitimately concerned for our species' entire future. We may not survive the internet broadly, and this is before even talking about how AI will accelerate the problem a thousand-fold.

I used to be very good at talking incels down. I had people send me follow-ups years later thanking me for saving their lives. It felt like I was doing good, but there was always more. So, so many more. I would focus on one young guy for weeks, talking and being there and listening and prying apart his world-views with gentle care, and often it would work, but that kid would be replaced by twenty more, each more obstinate and willfully ignorant than the last. They feed each other, they validate each other's darkest feelings, and they spread because hate is contagious.

They think their "rising ranks" are some sign of truth or validity to their movement, but it's just that simple trick that brains do, where they invent (or attach to) stories to explain their feelings. The more people feel insecure and scared, the more their brains will invent or latch onto stories to explain those feelings, and it's created a cycle of reading/scrolling for explanations for their loneliness, connecting with dark stories about why they feel bad ("it's the fault of THAT group!") and then feeling worse, so digging deeper into that same narrative to guide their rumination. It's so bad and so addictive that men and women alike are now having an impossible time breaking free from it and everyone feels horrible and nobody knows how to escape, so they invent even more stories to explain why they feel the way they do.

I don't know the answer. I just keep telling people to get off the social internet as much as possible, every moment you're scrolling/chatting for escape from despair is a moment you COULD be using to better yourself and your life in even the most modest ways.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Human beings have brains that were forged during hardships and ice-ages to make us inclined to form groups for survival. Those same drives make us desperate for a social identity, to the degree that we literally can die without social identity. (A fascinating field of study btw.)

This has made the internet the most dangerous tool we've ever created, because it has allowed people to deconstruct the very notion of group identity and exploit the drives in our own brains to connect with others. This is why we have so much absurd bullshit now, so many conspiracy theories, flat earthers, incels and redpill grifters, science-deniers and chemtrailophiles. People are finding their own, almost random group identities to connect with, groups that often have no real connection to reality, and just offer validation for people's feelings.

Validation for feelings is the next most important thing for humans, because it reflects how our brains actually work. Most people are under the impression that the brain is the seat of intelligence, that brains are calculating machines that work out problems and come to logical conclusions. Even if you don't think this, you have most likely at least become comfortable in trusting what you work out in your head.

But brains are not reasonable or rational, there was no such thing in the ancient world that shaped our brains. That world was just threats and signs of threats. If your ancestor had a brain that could accurately connect the sign of a threat to an actual threat, they would likely be prepared and survive. See a paw-print by the watering hole? Maybe there's a predator around.

That same tool now functions the same way in a vastly different environment, and it tells us wild stories that aren't even connected with reality to explain the things we feel. The brain notices you feel fear, it looks around and pieces together things to explain that fear. Feel sad? Brain digs around and starts randomly tying strings together to explain it. No reason, no logic. This is where much of our mental health epidemic is coming from, unchecked brains doing what nature intended them to do, in a world nature never intended.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

Which is the answer they will get right before sending the AI back for "repairs."

As we saw with Grock already several times.

They absolutely adore AI, it makes them feel in-touch with the world and able to feel validated, since all it is is a validation machine. They don't care if it's right or accurate or even remotely neutral, they want a biased fantasy crafting system that paints terrible pictures of Donald Trump all ripped and oiled riding on a tank and they want the AI to say "Look what you made! What a good boy! You did SO good!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Okay you keep doing "civility" while there are people fashioning a custom enemy against us, an enemy that doesn't rest or sleep or care about each others comforts, and liberals like you are out here falling apart at the idea that we're in a war and people will suffer one way or another, and if you spend your life trying to keep ANYONE from suffering, EVERYONE will suffer.

This is why I believe it's entirely performative, so people like you can say "I did everything right" and be absolved of the hardships we're all going to be going through and the difficult decisions that you don't escape from in life, the accountability that you have to do things that harm others is a FACT of life you either deal with or keep running from the actual fight.

Liberals like you are out here making the simple idea of "make the working class uncomfortable" out to sound the same as "lets pave over gaza and turn it into a strip club." Which is why people like you aren't leaders. It's just unfortunate our actual leaders are stupid sacks of hate who ACTUALLY want to turn Gaza into a strip club, while America's libs and centrists wring their hands and go "I'm sure someone will come along and save us, someone will start a nice, civil, peaceful revolution and then after when we restore liberal America we can go back to arguing on the internet if hugs are misogynist for lefty-points™."

t’s a sacrifice of vulnerable people/groups to try and shock less-vulnerable groups into action.

What the living fuck do you think I'm advocating here? YEAH LETS GET THE TRANS KIDS IN TRAINS TO OWN THE RIGHT. Seriously, take a breath.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

most LLM's for chat, pictures and clips are magical and amazing. For about 4 - 8 hours of fiddling then they lose all entertainment value.

As for practical use, the things can't do math so they're useless at work. I write better Emails on my own so I can't imagine being so lazy and socially inept that I need help writing an email asking for tech support or outlining an audit report. Sometimes the web summaries save me from clicking a result, but I usually do anyway because the things are so prone to very convincing halucinations, so yeah, utterly useless in their current state.

I usually get some angsty reply when I say this by some techbro-AI-cultist-singularity-head who starts whinging how it's reshaped their entire lives, but in some deep niche way that is completely irrelevant to the average working adult.

I have also talked to way too many delusional maniacs who are literally planning for the day an Artificial Super Intelligence is created and the whole world becomes like Star Trek and they personally will become wealthy and have all their needs met. They think this is going to happen within the next 5 years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I had a teller LITERALLY try to steal money from me.

A number of years back I was depositing cash from doing some side-hustle party entertainment work, I counted the cash, handed the cash to the teller and he counted it off, and it was short $100.

The thing was, I was doing magic tricks at parties, I had taught myself a bunch of very basic card tricks and slight-of-hand, not amazing but well enough to impress grade-schoolers, so I caught when the teller did a thing with his hands as he counted, he seemed to palm a bill and I felt immediate unease and wasn't sure what to do, so I called the manager over and my partner and got the attention of another teller, I figured if I got enough people around he couldn't pull any further tricks. I said we were "missing" a 100-dollar bill, and the teller acted really confused, pretended to look everywhere, then suddenly the missing bill "appeared" in his drawer. I let it go because I just wanted to go home.

I can even forgive that, that's one person, not an entire institution. I wouldn't have a gripe with Wells Fargo if that was all that ever happened. But they did things later on in my life like when I rented a car, they sent me on an overdraft-fee spiral that made my account -$5000 by the time I called the bank. They undid the erroneous charges after lots of shouting.

Later on, I had no choice but to finance a vehicle through WF, I will save the whole, long, horrible story and the shouting matches, but to give an idea how bad-faith they are, they fucking REFUNDED ME THE ENTIRE CAR with a series of "apology checks" over a period of three years after they repossessed it wrongly.

The only reason I didn't lose tens of thousands of dollars to Wells Fargo is because I learned to fight, fight and scream and yell when they tried to scam me. This shouldn't be on the customer to be aggressive and angry just to guarantee normal business.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

few realize how they work and what they do.

Seriously, you have no idea. I have spent some time delving into the current models, human psychology, neurology and evolution and how people engage with each other or other entities, and the problem is already worse than we realize, and it's going to get so, so much worse, because our species has major vulnerabilities in our entire conscious experience, these things are going to reshape the way people engage with reality itself at some point and we should all be a lot more concerned and I'm an old man yelling on the street corner with a cardboard sign huh.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

More than that, not being aware of genocide and looming climate collapse and student loans made those old games a lot more fun :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Welcome to the club. 12 year account for me, I told off some mysgonistic redpiller who called another user a slur, I quoted the slur so he couldn't edit, told him to go fuck himself with a telephone pole, the kind with all the nails from years of posters being posted on it, and then reported him.

Mods banned me for "incivility and using a gendered slur," took no action on the other user, I appealed it, they acted like pubescent fucksticks, so to keep talking to people I knew in that community I made a new account, then admins perma-IP-banned me for ban evasion.

I've been fighting this so long that I'm now instantly shadowbanned across all of youtube, google and reddit every time I make a new account. They've gotten very good at silencing users so that their bot-army can simulate human society and adjust our narratives at will. (Yes, google and reddit work together to produce AI bots, they announced it a while back, nobody paid attention.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If I had a red button to press and it would remove Putin, Trump, Musk, Thiel, Hamas, Netanyahu, or other bad guys, should I press the button? What do you think?

You mean take the current unstable genocidal dictators who are deeply connected with the current political climate and have definite limitations and restraints placed upon them, and replace them with all the associates, wormtongues and ideological puritans that surround these authoritarians and are there simply for the reason to seize any level of control and power that they can?

To say nothing of the lesser-recognized dictators-in-waiting who surround these nations and will look for any opportunity to strike a rival when they're down.

You may help things, or you may make everything far, far worse. The devil you know and all that. We get hung up on the idea that single individuals control outcomes, when really those people are just the face of a movement or agendas spanning across thousands of people.

Use your red button on the wealthy elite of the world who retain vast surpluses of hoarded (stolen) wealth from billions of people, you would do a lot more good, particularly if that wealth is just lost forever. Better it burn than be used to control populations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Our best bet right now is acceleration.

The administration is trying to boil the frogs slowly enough that people forget their discomfort and worry, so people get used to being without services like social security or medicare slowly enough that America just keeps running but with less benefits for the citizens and more prosperity for the wealthy.

If the administration moves too fast, people will connect the dots and associate their discomforts with the presidency, and there will be popular movements to oust leadership, peaceful or otherwise.

What you're likely going to see happen soon is an "economic stimulus" check program with Trump and Musk's names on checks sent to every American to try to get people to associate them with wealth again. Stick everyone with a 3k - 5k check, while stripping us of tens of thousands of dollars in benefits a year. And it will likely work amazingly well, because our population has memories of goldfish.

So we want them to make more stupid moves faster, we want more people to feel the pain of losing public sector jobs and services, we want chaos and recession and consequence, that is the only way American people will move.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I would really like them to try, they are toeing a line right now because Trump and his closest people aren't there for ideological reasons, they're just trying to make a recession happen so they can all gobble up devalued assets and blame biden or trans kids or something. The outliers are the Millers and Bannons who tried before and will try again to assert an ideological presence to bring about the Fourth Reich, but their hold isn't as strong as the oligarchs who just want money and security for their business empires.

You don't sustain a business empire when popular political figures are getting jailed, much less if they're being executed. That would signal the beginning of the actual overthrow of Democracy and if they do it too fast, that would immediately trigger massive popular uprisings and they would lose a lot of control. As it is, the donor-class is looking at the administration right now with a LOT of apprehension about current market destabilization.

Capital doesn't want instability, and would rather go back to a country of rules and regulations than see the entire market literally burn to the ground, so we would see a sudden and dramatic tone shift in politics broadly, we would see media channels turn on Trump's administration instantly, we would see prominent republicans in house and senate suddenly start forming opposition groups, we would see impeachment.

Let us make no mistakes about what's happening. There are people who do indeed want to turn America into a monarchy and they have longer-term plans to do so, and may succeed, but they want it WITH the wealth and prosperity that we have now, they don't want a banana republic, they just want a really big class-divide so they can have while we have-not.

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