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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

There will be no Israeli state in a world where everyone has equal rights. It will be destroyed if it is for everyone to have equal rights. And a new state will be founded, under a name that is not Israel and doesn't resemble the apartheid state of Israel. Only then can you actually talk about equal rights for every group of people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

So I, as a jew, who has never even been to Israel, don't feel threatened by the original comment at all, because I'm not an Israeli settler and haven't kicked anyone off their property, and thus don't have to fear having to give anyone their stolen property back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Why not destroy the state and create one where everyone has equal rights? A state anchored in the supremacy of one group is an apartheid state. It's clear as day which side you're on supporting such a state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I haven't claimed such a thing so you must be reading between the lines there. I specifically called out the fact that deporting people is stupid. Anyway, this isn't antisemitism no matter how hard you try to paint it like it is. It's purely a nationalist/colonial issue. Watering down the meaning of antisemitism won't help anyone but the zionazis, which given your CIA-like methods of derailing the conversation, wouldn't surprise me at all if you were just a zio troll

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

So you're free to go colonize any part of the world because if the locals complain about it then they're nazis. LMAO

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

No. They should fight for equal rights between all people in Palestine, jewish, muslim, christians, and everything else. For repayment to the victims of the Nakba. For the prosecution of war criminals. So on and so forth.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Yeah. They're settlers. That's what I was pointing out. This has nothing to do with antisemitism. And there's a discussion to be had about settlers, repaying their debt to the people they've wronged and colonized over decades, and so on and so forth. I come from jewish descent myself. I have no connection to Palestine. Jewish Israelis from Europe are settlers, despite their claims of having a connection to the land, in contrast to jewish Israelis originally from Palestine. This is the difference I'm trying to point out. This doesn't mean that I support the mass expulsion of any people. But again, this is a nationalist issue not "antisemitism". Not that nationalism is okay anyway. Just stop watering down the meaning of antisemitism just because it doesn't fit into Israel's whims.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

Just because I'm calling out the stupid claim that this is antisemitism it doesn't mean I'm supporting nationalism. It's just a stupid stance to scream antisemitism at everything especially when this is a purely nationalist issue, which again, I don't agree with. Those screaming that all Israelis should leave are doing so not because they're jews but because they're settlers lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

And yet that's not what I argued at all. Maybe read that again. Of course it's insane to kick people out from the place they were born in. I just said that this has nothing to do with antisemitism but just pure nationalism. They're not asking them to leave because they're jewish but because they're settler. But again, this entire discussion is stupid anyway, since it's insane to expect people to leave in mass the place they were born in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (15 children)

While it is a lunatic statement, it isn't antisemitic. It's only antisemitic if it applies to jewish Palestinians that have a connection to the land. The jewish Israelis of European descent aren't connected to the land. Thus, this isn't antisemitic. But I do agree that it is a lunatic statement anyway.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that this is a nationalist stance not an antisemitic one. Those expecting all Israelis to leave like that aren't doing so because they're jews but because they're settlers. This is however, if you lack the reading comprehension, a position I haven't even claimed to support, but on the contrary, I even condemned it. What I am doing here is pointing out that not everything that relates to Israel has to boil down to antisemitism. That's a braindead position

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Isn't that the stance of Israel as well? They claim to be the representatives of all jewish people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Nazis also came to power democratically. The US regime is also hunting down immigrants in a gestapo like fashion democratically. Just because something is a law doesn't mean anything. It's also quite telling if your national security is tied to genociding children.

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