From this source:
Many of the Israeli hostages, according to interviews with family members, returned “malnourished, infested with lice, ill, injured and deeply traumatized,” the Times also reported.
Also important to note, it is likely that some hostages are treated under "acceptable" conditions for propaganda purposes. Also, many hostages' family members were murdered on october 7. So that unto itself very much contradicts with the absurd claim that they were "treated well".
The “fact check site” links to the now completely debunked New York Times article as “evidence” for the rapes. You are arguring against a large amount of evidence here that has been verified independently multiple times. Hamas murdered children, and they also raped women.
I probably won't convince you, but for the people who care about truth: "The grayzone" you're linking here is everything but a reputable news source.
From the wikipedia article:
The Grayzone has been criticized for defending authoritarian regimes.[4][20][34][40][61] In Reorienting Hong Kong’s Resistance: Leftism, Decoloniality, and Internationalism, The Grayzone was described as "known for misleading reporting in the service of authoritarian states".[25] Nerma Jelacic, writing in the Index on Censorship, described The Grayzone as "a Kremlin-connected online outlet that pushes pro-Russian conspiracy theories and genocide denial."[62] In 2019, The Grayzone had claimed the Commission for International Justice and Accountability, of which Jelacic is a director, collaborated with ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra affiliates.[62]
You spread disinformation. You're not helping anyone by doing that. Just stop, okay?
Two corrections: On October 7, infants have been executed. While they weren't beheaded, they were still murdered. And sexual assault by Hamas fighters has been widely documented and proven.
These things did happen. You're not helping anyone by hiding things that are also true.
that “anti-semitism” dog-whistle is just pure racism
ahh alright, calling out anti-semitism is racist now? You're watering down the definition of both of these issues. Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is antisemitic. That's not up to debate for me.
(which only a racist would think), hence Israel represents all of them, hence criticism of Israel is anti-semitism.
okay, typical Motte-and-bailey. you compared Israel to Nazi Germany. I called you out on that. Moreover, I called Netanyahu "full of shit" and said "IDF is committing reprehensible war crimes". I'm criticizing Israel. Doesn't make me an Anti-Semite. This kind of stuff always happens. "Israel is like Nazi Germany!!1" (Motte) and "Oh I'm just criticizing Israel" (Bailey)
but it even has already exceed the rate of killing of civilians of pretty much everybody but the Nazis
You're making this up. Please have at least the decency and give me sources.
but in terms of the rate of civilian deaths it certainly has already exceeded everything else but the actual Holocaust
The hamas killed 1200 people in a single say. that would be 108000 in 90 day, exceeding the "rate of civilian deaths" of the IDF bombing. Is this a shitty argument? yes, it is awful, and so is yours. It is a fucking tragedy and it needs to end. But why do you use these numbers to desperately frame Israel as Nazis?
Important to note: between May and July 1944, the Nazis killed over 400 000 Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz.
Again: Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is detached from reality, and antisemitic. You are not helping anyone by doubling down on claiming it is.
Think a second about those who are actually affected by the conflict, who understand how complex and twisted it is and who genuinely look for ways to find peace. People who oppose the war, the occupation, Netanyahu's government, Hamas. These people are drowned out by westeners entirely unaffected by the conflict, claiming to know better what is going on, and resort to simplistic, tribalistic and hateful language.
the Nazis mudered around 70000 french jews during the Shoa, many of them children. what's your point?
I really don't get why it is so difficult to shit on Netanyahu and his fellows without resorting to insensitive/antisemitic language. He's full of shit, yes, and the IDF is commiting reprehensible war crimes. But no, there is no comparison to be made with Nazis. The Shoa stands for itself.
It is sickening to see how there are so many pro-palestinan voices for peace who avoid this sort of language, only to drowned by so many westeners who think relativizing Nazi crimes is somehow helping palestinians
edit: just to expand a little: around 400 000 French civilians have been killed between 1939 and 1945 It's just ridiculous. I have no idea how people can upvote made up shit like that. sorry, but this is just fucking enfuriating
Not even the Nazis would kill children as reprisal.
the nazis absolutely killed children for all sorts of despicable reasons. Could you at least make your point without relaitivizing fucking Nazi crimes?
will look into it. thanks!
thanks! As you work with computers - how do you manage working from home (in case you have experience with that) It is something really hard for me to deal with when I don't have the spacial separation thanks again for you answer :)
I'm currently living abroad, so I can highly relate to this. I'm the first one in my family though. I'm a stranger anywhere. and being weird is much easier where people just assume it is because you are a foreigner
ahh okay, thank you!
hello, I'm not a native english speaker and I know two distinct meaning of the word "gag" and neither of them make sense in this context. so what does "gag order" mean?
I literally provide resources of evidence and all you say there is "none"??
give me evidence backed by multiple, independent sources. Then I have a look. Otherwise this is nothing but misinformation.