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Yep. There's a reason I moved over even before the v4/2011 fiasco

I like that there is a large contingent of actual socialists whether soc dems, anarchists or the dreaded tankies.

I like that there is a greater anti corporate mindset and I'm less likely to see someone justify something because "well what do you expect, businesses exist to make money".

I like that there are so many Linux and open source enthusiasts. And privacy enthusiasts. Used to be big on Reddit but became more and more niche over time.

I like that there aren't pun threads. Maybe that's not really true culture but more contrast with Reddit.

Then stop running defense for them. They're another party of millionaires and capitalists

Our vote are public, anyone can see them.

Yeah, but those that go and look to confront users are absolute losers. And I'd love mbin to fail for that "feature"

It's not conspiracy.

This is what happens when you make your website amenable to conservatives. That sub has grown more popular through the years and it's thanks to its satellites like KiA and others that organized and spread conservative messaging.

And right now they're taking victory laps so of course it's got a lot of activity

When the topic is "people are overwhelmingly misinformed on this specific issue", then yeah basically that's how it goes.

If I made a meme about how too many people associate vaccines with autism or whatever, and I got a bunch of comments from anti-vaxxers saying just that, then yeah I think the comments would provide additional evidence, yeah.

This thread is exactly why leftist unity communities need to make it clear to liberals that they aren't leftist.

Because otherwise you end up with what you see in these comments: a bunch of people in your "movement" who are completely willing to acquiesce to Capital

Uh no. Where are you getting these definitions?

From actual political theory and not Rothbard-esque ancap bullshit

Nah, I just find amusement in someone who ostensibly considers themselves political (volunteers for the Dems!) being affronted when accurately told that being leftist entails more than what talk about on NPR and NYT. Even the Wikipedia summary of leftism states the modern left is anti-capitalist and liberalism is "center-left" at best. It's just an example of the allowed spectrum of opinion and an example of how much the politico class ignores political theory outside that spectrum.

And we push back on it because allowing the right wing, mainstream media, and liberal parties to define liberalism as the left is exactly what helps push the Overton window to the right.

Instead of running away when confronted with that fact and creating a space for centrists to feel more comfortable, maybe y'all could listen instead.

No. My point was that as Reddit became more mainstream, it became more conservative. As it became more conservative, more conservative spaces were created like the Donald and gamergate subs. And people and ideas from those spaces ended up seeping into other "non political" subs, like technology, gaming, movies, etc.

The amount of xenophobia, transphobia, anti-feminism, etc. I saw in general purpose subs grew post Digg migration, especially in gamer subs as gamergate happened in 2014.

Conservatism and centrist liberalism are the dominant political beliefs in the US, UK, and seemingly most of Europe too. Those voices will outnumber and browbeat leftist voices over time if they join an online platform en masse, in my experience.

No one is going to change the world by posting. Very few people have the time or energy to discuss or debate every day. I'd rather just not deal with an entire host of opinions and takes that I already deal with every day in real life.

What I've learned over my time using sites like Digg and Reddit is that allowing conservative views to fester and form their communities on a platform allows them to organize and grow and seep into other "non political" spaces. The Donald, gamergate, transphobia, general reaction, whatever.

And the "anti-politics" enlightened centrist types are enablers that allow this.

If people come here and go "wow they sure are critical of Israel, America, Trump, and billionaires. I hate this", then they're self selecting themselves from joining and I just don't think that's a loss.

The measurement of a platform to me is the quality of the users, not the quantity.