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True, but it also reminds us what happens when someone on Lemmy gets downvoted, reported and banned for having their own valud standpoint, which is not accepted by the majority of us.
We should keep in mind that we are prone to making the same mistake.
We are, but at the same time having parallel communities helps with that
[email protected] mods are regularly featured in [email protected] , which leads more and more people to alternatives like [email protected]
We are, but at the same time having parallel communities helps with that
Does it though? Seems to me that we just end up with two echo chamber communities where there's no cross pollination of ideas and no challenges to our viewpoints. It's good that people still have a place to interact but self segregation along ideological lines isn't healthy for anyone over the long term.
As an example it's why I'm still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn't consider on my own.
As an example it’s why I’m still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn’t consider on my own.
So it's working?
In many ways Lemmy is so much worse the echo chamber than Reddit ever was.
That happened to some people in a community I used to run then I moved it to [email protected] where the rules are different. We are decentralised so if people get censored in one place they can move to another. The fediverse is a true embodiment of freedom and the marketplace of ideas.
Happened to a ton of trans people on .blahaj
The 196 community didn't like the rule that forced them to repsect a troll that was using the gender "dragonfucker" to mock and invalidate real gender identities and sexualities.
Instead of banning a single troll they banned dozens of users off the most popular community on blahaj and triggered the community to make a 196 community on .world
I'm banned from about 180 subs because a mod here decided he didn't like my version of reality.
Everytime I post and I'm told I'm banned from whatever community I never posted in before I block that sub.
Why would I want any part of a sub that blindly and aggressively censors opinions they don't agree with? That would be stupid, so I leave them to their bubble
In my limited experience with Lemmy I would say the problem here is worse, but different due to the whole instance and decentralized thing.
I definitely don't think Lemmy has much ground to stand on in terms of looking down on reddit for the echo chamber they created.
Maybe there is a misogynist instance for you somewhere: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=19216260
🤣 that's the most mild misogyny I've ever heard. If that's all it takes to get banned from an entire instance you guys are fucked in the future. I can't believe I've not seen this pettiness before. This whole project is a joke. Death threats are a ok, but mild misogyny gets you banned? You all are warped in the head it that's how you feel.
This person has indeed been instance banned from SJW: https://sh.itjust.works/u/[email protected]
Your own modlog isn't really painting the best picture: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=19133771
🤣 sure dude, you should look at the comments I was defending against. Threats of murder, misandry, misinformation, harassment. That's all alright with you though. Man the left is so cooked if y'all gatekeep like that. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say Lemmy is much much worse with censorship and gatekeeping than reddit ever was/is.
Edit: censorship for perceived "liberalism," give me a break. What a crook of manure.
Edit2: it's even worse than I thought 🤣. Banned for "ignorant lib chauvinism" what a dumb reason. Censored for racism for saying I don't give Jews the benefit of the doubt after they pulled a genocide against Palestinians.
Remember when we once spoke about how a lot of Redditors are not people we want here and the culture here repulsing some isn't necessarily a bad thing?
Well.
I have been on Lemmy for over a year, and honestly, Lemmy should be looking up to Reddit on the echo chamber topic, not down on them lol. Like, if you thought Reddit was bad with Witch Hunts / Block Sprees / Whatever other tactics to create an echo chamber, Lemmy makes Reddit look like it has the mose diversity of opinions and posts on the entire internet.
I first came here from Reddit. About 2 or 3 months prior to the API Shutdown, I deleted my Reddit account on my own. Wasn't banned, never had been banned, just didn't want an account anymore. Then I saw in a Discord server someone talking about the API Shutdown, so I went to read some posts on Reddit about it. This is where I saw someone mention Lemmy. They talked about it like this place that was open to any ideas, any ideology (obviously not disgusting criminal activity like CSAM, yes I was here on Lemmy for the CSAM raiding early on unfortunately), was not politically affiliated with any political group or government. Sounded great to me, since I don't care about politics and don't want to see it. I have to see it enough in real life and I just don't want to deal with that crap any more than I have to. Just Lemmy users talking about their niche hobbies or groups. Basically, I was sold the idea of Reddit without politics.
For the first maybe, 3 or 4 months, Lemmy was pretty good. Not politically infested, nearly everything was on topic, not a lot of bots or spam. Genuine conversations between people that didn't always agree but those conversations did not devolve into name calling or anything. Dunno what happened, but that Lemmy is gone.
And before anyone brings it up, yes, I am a Lemmy.world mod for c/cars. The LW Admins asked me to be a mod because I was one of the more active users in that sub, along with the other current mod. At first, I said no. I didn't want to be a moderator, and honestly I still don't. But after asking me more and me saying no more, eventually the admins convinced me to be a mod. Here's the thing: I have never had to take moderator action on anything. Don't know if I ever will because of how low traffic that community is. But my mod style is simple: I don't care if I agree with what is said or not. I only care if a rule is broken. Justice should not have an opinion, so when I need to take action I disconnect it from my own ideas and opinions. Kinda like what one is supposed to do as part of a Jury in the US Justice System.
Anyway, the point is, Lemmy and Reddit have pretty much become the same, because they are now both infected with the same basic problem. So I wouldn't say Reddit is worse than Lemmy or better. They both have pros and cons that make them more or less equal, just the pros and cons are in opposite ways. Perfectly balanced, if you will.
Agreed. When I first came here I thought Lemmy would be open to all points of view.
All points of view can exist on different instances. Doesn't mean that every instance has to federate with all other instances
Unfortunately no lol. Lemmy has a handful of stances that are "allowed" and if you stray from those you're toast.
You can get banned from entire instances just because the mod of that instance saw you make a comment they didn't like on a completely different instance and sub.
It's fine though. Each instance can do whatever they want. I do think it inhibits growth and actual discussions from taking place though. If you ban everyone that thinks even slightly differently than you it just means you're left with a bunch of people that all pretty much agree I everything. Not exactly a riveting conversation.
Not just bans. People in the Fediverse are knee jerk blockers too. Disagree with me? Blocked. Wow, now everyone agrees with me, so my take must be correct.
Yeah ... I mean everyone is allowed to Taylor their experience however they want but I never block people because I never want to put myself into an echo chamber where I only ever see or hear opinions I already agree with.
I mean, it’s really no different on here. Giant echo chambers.
We're a smaller chamber but a lot more echo.
Meanwhile lemmy appears to self select Linux users
Early adopters and technical users are more likely to be free/libre users.
Nah, we ban fascists cause fascists are asshole losers who only want to be taken seriously.
I wouldn't say Lemmy is much better though... It's just Reddit but not on Reddit.
Lemmy feels a lot more like old reddit.
New Reddit feels artificial. The written content posts LOOK like they're from AI. Much of the subreddits are now curated. You can't say Luigi.
Here, it's a bit of a wild west. And that's okay.
There isn't much written content posts. But the comments? I'm loving it. It comes off genuine. Human. Real. Even the shitty ones that make me want to downvote but damn do I somewhat see their perspective.
I'm 14 and this is deep.
That's literally all of the Internet, not just Reddit. Everyone putting themselves in echo chambers and tuning everything else out. Modern Internet is just people wanting to be told they're right and be showered with worthless affirmations.
The censorship and Napoleonic complex moderators on lemmy.world are nearly as bad as reddit
Removing posts of non news articles being posted to the news comms isn't censorship.
Removing non-US politics posts posted to a US politics comm is not censorship.
Removing political memes posted to a non-political meme comm is not censorship.
Removing posts of something other than micro blogs to the microblogs community is not censorship.
Removing posts that break the clearly posted rules of the community is not censorship.
JFC... 🤦♂️
To me the Bitcoin and crypto subs were a really weird place. Like 1 in 10 are long term investors and the rest are like "lol just wasted my grandparents savings I'm done. And just 20."
Lol, tell that to the hexbear and .ml servers. My God, they're worse than anything reddit ever did.
Reddit nurtured /r/jailbait, r/coontown /r/rape and /r/thedonald. Just sayin'
Powerful reddit energy in this post
Also, "they" is currently 80% chatbots
Fuck reddit, fuck spez
I'm all in for discarding opinions. As long as who post them can argue in a civil maner, show souces and accept objective data.
Reddit is just edgy self aware facebook.
