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Trump to lift pause on 2,000-pound bomb supply to Israel, Walla News reports
(denvergazette.com)
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I love that your defense here is: "Look at that, you're just as big of a piece of shit as we are."
But in reality, they're objectively more moral than you are in voting against genocide. That it may happen anyway doesn't change that.
There are many more issues beyond Gaza. The environment, healthcare, social rights, immigration. They are complicit in all of it.
Yesterday Trump declared "War on Transgender" and his desire to eradicate transgenderism in the US. Musk threw a literal Nazi salute. They immediately put out an EO targeting trans people. Non-voters and 3p voters are complicit in this and in what is about to happen to trans people in the US.
Or course, they don't have the moral stain of a Trump supporter but "not a literal Nazi" shouldn't be the baseline it is.
So why should someone care about any of these issues, while you demand them to ignore the issue they care about?
Why do we accept the Democrats pitting transrights against arab childrens right to life?
Because these issues much more directly affect people in the US, and by extension, you (assuming you're even FROM the US)
Personally I'm a trans immigrant. In part BECAUSE of protest voters, my new priority over literally everything else is my own survival. It's not that I don't care about Gaza, my heart breaks for the Palestinians affected by the genocide, but I don't have energy left to devote to that fight. That is by design as a fractured population is less able to work together.
What you mean by that is they affect you. There are Palestinians in the United States, Jewish people who want to quash the wave of antisemitism this will trigger, and other Americans who would like to not ignite another wave of anti-Americanism is the Arab world.
You don't have to prioritize the anti-war movement over the issues that are closest to your own life and safety, but you don't get to demand that they sideline the issues that are closest to their lives for you. Solidarity goes both ways.
Actually Harris voters are responsible for all of this because they heard this incompetent and unqualified person fumble through softball interviews saying absolutely nothing at all and looking like a complete fool and they all still voted for her. They all voted for a loser.
She had no policy. Every answer to questions was an evasion.
Blue maga is real.
Voting for more death to protest genocide is a vote FOR GENOCIDE you dumbass
By not voting, you voted for genocide under Trump. There is no neutrality against fascism, and there is no nonparticipation. You're either against them or you're with them.
Genocide under Trump vs. genocide under Biden isn't a big moral difference. Your argument is supposed to be that the other moral issues are critically important, not that the flavor of genocides are important.
"there's zero difference between mostly good with a little bad, and an absolute shitstorm of horrors"
"Genocide" as "a little bad" is quite the fucking choice.
A lot of genocide, a lot of oppression, a lot of revoking human rights, a lot of political persecution, a lot shifting blame, is quite the fucking choice
And Biden actually pushed for ceasefire and got one. Trump doesn't.
A naive genocide apologist, what a shock. Israeli commentary on the right is that there's not much reason to still be there as they've pretty much destroyed everything already. The time to push for a ceasefire was this time last year, and then to actually do something to bring it about. And it's not even a real cease fire! They're still killing people! They're a vast distance between the things politicians say and the things that actually happen.
Fascinating how you think I'm the apologist when you at no point have been capable of criticizing Trump for being far worse, not acknowledging your own personal role in ensuring the genocide will get worse by helping Trump win, not acknowledging that those who opposed Trump did so to prevent things from getting worse, and that you then instead of helping prevent things get worse decided to send us spiraling down into a far far worse situation, for literally no other reason than that you're an asshole who thinks the genocide is about you, because why else would you take an action that you claim is to make things "better" by removing a flawed person from power, when you knew all along the replacement would be worse? You're only trying to ensure you didn't support a person who didn't do enough to prevent a genocide - meanwhile that decision actually means you made an active choice to make the genocide worse.
You're only trying to shift blame. You and your crowd are personally responsible for things getting worse and you know it.
His point was that in this specific issue Trump wasn't worse. You're acting like a lame duck president got the ceasefire, but that's frankly delusional. The Knesset knew they were getting trump, Biden didn't achieve anything different. Israel is just doing what it's internal politics directs it to. You're arguing for a distinction on this issue without an actual difference.
But Trump IS worse
The prior Trump admin's peace deal proposal was giving Israel total control over all of Palestine (full responsibility for physical security), and give them free land in the west bank, with no rights guaranteed to Palestinians
That is my argument, which you know, which is why you're trying to pretend it isn't. Does this normally work on people or something?
Is it really "voting against genocide" when they voted against all the arms shipment pauses that are now being overturned? They voted against an administration, that administration lost, and now the winner has hit the ground running making the genocide immediately worse. What's "objectively more moral" about increasing arms shipments to genociders?