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Declassified CIA Guide to Sabotaging Fascism Is Suddenly Viral
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But ... but we're already doing every single one of them 🥺
Holy shit, my workplace must be trying to sabotage fascism...
Holy shit it's AGILE....
I can't upvote this enough....
"hey, boss man created a JIRA ticket for the revolution, they wanna know how many story points we think that will be." 😂
I work in the development office of a municipality.
I was made for this.
I really need to keep that spiderman meme in my back pocket, but this was also my first thought
Bruh this is my leadership team at work!
Same... Lol
Isn't this like the whole SCRUM framework
Please tell me that's not actually what they tell you to do.
Where's the bombs and general strikes?
Almost half of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. A strike means they can't feed or house their kids. Corporations have Americans by the balls and they know it.
Nope. Soup kitchens are cheap and easy.
US Americans are just too stupid to turn to their neighbor and work together
Yeah, so is eating out of a dumpster. Jesus Christ. Have you ever even talked to a homeless person?
They're talking about establishing mutual aid networks, not relying on existing ones.
Soup kitchens are not mutual aid networks and now they're saying eat out of dumpsters.
My guy, food not bombs explicitly is a mutal aid network and they're specifically discrediting your attempt to discredit them because they have eaten out of dumpsters. But sure, it's everybody else that's wildly out of touch in this conversation.
I am discrediting them because they don't give a shit about child abuse. And you're defending them. Not a good look.
Also, this same person you are defending says the real problem here is accusing imaginary people of being spies.
You're discrediting them for something you hadn't even brought up yet? Those goalposts are on wheels as long as they hold up your self righteous justification to be snarky on the Internet huh?
I spent years eating dumpstered food when I lived in the US. You're proving my point.
Have you ever even volunteered with Food Not Bombs?
Did you feed your kids out of dumpsters? And if so, were any of them autistic kids who would only be willing to eat things they approve of and starve otherwise? I hope not.
But I'm guessing your suggestion is either force-feed them or let them starve.
Also, do you know one of the reasons they take your kids away from you and put them in abusive foster care? Because you're homeless.
Basically your whole idea is advocating child abuse.
Amazing how many people here think you should put the welfare of others over your own children.
Its clear you've never dumpster dived before. Its usually wrapped in food grade containers. Completely sanitary. And good stuff, like super fancy expensive pastries.
And food not bombs works with restaurants and groceries to get the food before they even put it in a dumpster, just before its thrown out.
Seriously, please find your local chapter of Food Not Bombs and volunteer. You would learn a lot. Feeding people is not an issue in the US.
My entire post was about child abuse and you just ignored it.
So I guess we know how you feel about children suffering.
It's also clear that you're making things up, sparky.
Soup kitchen covering people’s health insurance and shit now? You know damn well how much people’s jobs mean to them and their livelihoods.
I agree with you; but it’s very easy to say, challenge level impossible to do.
General strikes include doctors too. They could provide free healthcare, yes.
Which doctor can provide free chemo if I have cancer? Which doctor can provide a free MRI if I have a stroke? Do they keep those things in their home?
You don't mind children dying, and apparently you don't mind very sick people dying either.
So how many people do you feel is an acceptable number to die for your cause?
The workers own the hospital. Fuck capital. Just walk in and take it.
So for how much longer would you consider it acceptable for the current system to cause more suffering and death before drastic actions for change are acceptable?
It seems you care more about those who would be hypothetically be harmed than those who are being harmed right now.
I don't think that those who advocate for mutual aid networks and a general strike are either ignorant or uncaring of the harm that it could cause. I think they believe that the harm caused would be less than the harm already being inflicted by the current system. That said, I think it's a big ask for people to put themselves and their families at great risk, even if it's for a good purpose.
Allowing people to die of cancer and other illnesses that require a hospital causes suffering and death. Why does that not matter to you?
Are you really under the impression that mutual age can compound chemotherapy drugs or construct an MRI machine? Or even an X-ray machine?
You two don't give a shit about kids and don't give a shit about people who are sick. I mean you think cancer patients would only "hypothetically" suffer and die if there were no one to give them chemo. Which is literally not how anything works.
I asked them and they didn't answer, so how about you tell me: what is the maximum number of dead innocent sick people and children would you would accept here? I bet you won't answer either
People dying of treatable conditions does bother me, it's one of the main reasons I'm disgusted with the state of healthcare in the US.
As many as 44,789 people in the US die each year from lack of health insurance.
I'm under no illusions when it comes to the limitations of mutual aid, it's not a replacement for a functioning society. It's far more a foundation of a strong labour movement and sense of community.
The hypothetical being talked about here is a general strike. I know full well that not having access to healthcare kills people. I'd also like to specify that I'm not advocating for a general strike, I was speculating on the justifivuof those who are.
And to answer your your final point I'd like to refer back to the 44,789 people who die every year from a lack of health insurance in the US. Now attempting to bring about radical changes would most certainly cause more deaths than that, but you asked for a number. So if I could change things for the better without killing more people than those who are currently dying under the current system then I would consider that acceptable. So there's your number, 44,789 people dying per year to achieve the goal of universal healthcare in the US. I however live in a country that already has universal health care, so I thankfully wouldn't have to make such a grim decision. It's easy to engage in such calculations without having to have the emotional burden of potentially condemning thousands to suffer and die.
Wow. You're such a humanitarian. "It's okay if just as many people die as they always do if change happens eventually" is just disgusting and I have no idea why you think otherwise.
Because saying that proves your claim that people dying of treatable conditions does not bother you.
You are completely missing my point. Firstly, just because I consider something acceptable doesn't mean I think that it's okay. It's more that If action or inaction on a problem causes the same amount of suffering and death, then I believe that action with the hope of a good resolution is the better course.
Let me phrase it in terms of the trolley problem. Just because I would calculate to take the least shitty course of action does not mean I'm uncaring of the outcome. I would simply be forced to play the hand that I'm dealt. And like I said, the problem of US healthcare is not mine to fix. So I can only speculate on what I might do without having to face the potential reality of action.
So what about you? Would you choose action causing harm to stop it later, or inaction and do nothing to mitigate the present harm?
There's no course of action available in which people won't suffer and die. In an ideal world that would not be so, but we must face reality however shit it may be.
Sure sounds like you consider it acceptable to me, especially since you admit it won't affect you at all:
So basically this entire time you've been expecting other people to make sacrifices that you won't have to make. Which is pretty shitty.
The first half
I get how all parts of this are effective to sabotage an economy and hurt the ambitions of those at the top. But, as a regular person working within the system, I choose not to discriminate against or complain about other individual workers just trying to get through their day.
That seems counter productive. The best way to resist the oligarchs can’t be to fuck with the other poor people we’re trying to help.
Those not working to dismantle fascism are fascists.
Hey now I didn’t suggest not working against the system and the fascists. I pointed out that targeting the morale and well-being of individuals close to you might not be the best use of one’s energy, assuming underlying motivation is to make the world better for yourself and others.
And you can sabotage the work without being hostile towards an individual. That individual is somebody you should be getting on your side.
Youd be much better off trying to unionize your coworkers, that would be far more damaging to the fascist ubercapitalists, and much more beneficial for the workers morale.
Short term pain for long term freedom is needed. If people had your point of view during the American civil war, you'd be the Confederate states of the US.
Every day people are the ones enabling and holding up fascism, not the uniforms, not the leadership, just people like you and your loved ones. Without you fascists have no power. Pressuring those around you, sabotaging their work if it's helpful to the fascists, socially isolating those that refuse to help are the effective steps to take. If you don't take them, you're as bad as any fash with a gun or suit.
Most points are more focused on decreasing workplace efficiency by ways other than lowering morale.
So, civ v was right, the only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy, is its inefficiency.