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The United States has announced the approval of the sale of more than $7.4bn in bombs, missiles and related equipment to Israel, which has used American-made weapons to devastating effect during the war in Gaza.

The state department has signed off on the sale of $6.75bn in bombs, guidance kits and fuses, in addition to $660m in Hellfire missiles, according to the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA).

The proposed sale of the bombs “improves Israel’s capability to meet current and future threats, strengthen its homeland defense, and serves as a deterrent to regional threats”, the DSCA said in a statement.

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[–] [email protected] 148 points 2 months ago (5 children)

B...b...but the Democrats are genociders so I didn't vote or voted 3rd party to help the Palestinians.

Did I help? Did I help them? Does this help them?

[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 months ago (12 children)

While I don’t disagree, I feel like we need to talk more about how disconnected the Democratic Party is from what their base actually wants. Them being diet republicans ain’t cutting it

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (2 children)

True. But at the same time you're not going to get any of that by not voting and letting Republicans get elected. I mean get you butts out there and primary these centrist lead weights.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (6 children)

primary these centrist lead weights.

This. Right. Here.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If the DNC allowed that y'all wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. I mean hello? 2020 was four years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Doesnt this boil down to the usual "the left falls in love, while the right falls in line"? hard to fall in love with your alliy's ongoing war crimes and lefties are renowed for not falling in line even against their best interests. Makes it hard to win as an incumbent, though, how did Obama win reelection, he wouldn't have been mistaken for a saint the second time round.

PS: got it, it's because Romney still couldn't make the right fall in line hard enough comparing with the love for Obama.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Have you actually looked at their platform? Or are you just repeating "Republican lite" because that's what all your social circle says?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This kind of feels like a loaded question, but yeah, I’d prefer it be more progressive. I’d like for Nancy and the other old guard to accept that they’ve got to move out of the way for the next generation to take the helm. Instead she blocked the new blood from higher committee positions. The attacks on her insider trading stick for a reason. I wish the same ones didn’t bounce off republicans but they’re clearly scott free of any accountability from their voting base, unlike the left which is constantly infighting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Nancy Pelosi actually doesn't do any trading, the man she married while still in college owns an investment firm and in the USA married couples have joint assets.

One of the biggest allegations of Insider Trading was when VISA credit company offered them stock options just before a big legislation regulating VISA went through, but Nancy actually voted against the company's interests anyways.

In many years, Paul's portfolio operates at a loss and the two of them don't even make the list of top traders in congress.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Gee, would have been nice to have democracy a few more years to maybe try and fix it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fix what exactly? It isn't that the democrats are a new party that suddenly popped into existence for the last election. They've been doing this shit forever.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

... mmhmmm. I guess no democracy is better then. I'm convinced.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No, it isn't. But acting as if democrats were / are willing to change and listen to the people is extremely naive. That's the reason Bernie Sanders was never allowed to be a candidate despite being one of the most popular dems out there. There needs to be a third way / party that does better and claws out the democrats from ever being able to win.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They do hold primaries, ya know.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (21 children)

They let non-party-favored candidates run in the primaries just like how this kid is allowed to mow the law

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders WAS a presidential candidate in multiple primaries. He LOST those primaries by a HUGE MARGIN.

And then HE PROMOTED THE CANDIDATES WHO WON AND WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO HIM.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I feel like we need to talk more about how disconnected the Democratic Party is from what their base actually wants

Did you feel this need before the election too? Because a lot of people did and that is who we're talking about here.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

None of the votes during this past election would have helped Palestine. That’s the point. You gotta think long term. Dems and Reps suck.

Our two party, single vote system isn’t working for the people and they want you to believe it is. Control your politicians. Don’t let them control you.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For the US, sure.

Letting in the Tangerine Mussolini means there won’t be a Palestine by the end of his term.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

With the Democrats under the control of the DNC neither. Remember how the US built an "aid pier" for hundreds of millions that never delivered aid, but instead a beachhead for an Israeli assault disguised as humanitarian aid?

Now with Trump people are forced to confront the empire and maybe resist it from within, which also helps those outside of it. In the same wake other countries like in Europe will have to confront the fact that the US was never their friend, but just gave more considerations to the appearance of mutual respect and sovereignity on the outside.

The US empire has made it clear under Biden already, that there will be no peace in the Middle East, as long as the empire can prevent it. The only route to peace is dismantling the empire and replacing it with a normal country.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Neither of those things will happen, the US will turn into an autocratic state and Palestine will be erased. Then they will expand to Greater Israel with US troops.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the US will turn into an autocratic state and Palestine will be erased.

Ah the iron convictions of those who participate in a democratic society.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I am an anarchist and have only voted once for secession. I would've voted against Trump if I were American. What is your point though?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The fall of the American federal government to fascism is not as foregone a conclusion as it is being made out to be.

The same factions that didn't want to change the incumbent policy are the same that are accepting the fascist movement without resistance.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

June 29, 2024 US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7

Biden only stopped sending them after there was nothing left to destroy in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Dude, I’m not defending Biden in any sense whatsoever.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There was one shot at helping the people of Palestine, that was the Democrats.

They refused to listen to voters and instead took in billions of lobbying from Zionists.

The only blame lies solely on Kamala and her greed. Imagine thinking stopping Trump was less important than making money.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I wonder if you will keep rehashing the election even as people are being loaded into boxcars?

"I told you trans people to vote third party, but you had to vote for Kamala, didn't you? Bye-bye!"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Democrats seemed quite fine with risking Trans people to be loaded into boxcars. Also many people immediately lasged out at ethnic minorities and queer people for not supporting the Democrats as strongly.

For the DNC they only got some considerations, when they were useful for power. Now that they didnt grant it, they got tossed aside.

Case in point all the D-Representatives now helping to vote Trump officials into elected government positions.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I guess the answer is yes, you will keep rehashing the election even as people are being loaded into boxcars.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I mean "what the fuck happened in November 2024" is an important question to answer if you're ever going to stop people from being loaded into boxcars.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Except people aren't rehashing it to learn, everyone is just rehashing things to assign blame.

Fuck, Republicans had their whole postmortem and even they managed to learn and now control all three branches of government.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Many people are rehashing it in defense, because these posts always start with assigning blame for not voting in Harris.

It would be great if the Democratic Party started running a more popular platform and won the election by something other than begrudging lesser-of-two-evils votes. Obama’s first term showed how powerful that could be.

Hopefully the Democratic Party has learned that bringing a status-quo to a populist fight isn’t a good idea, but I’m not holding my breath on that anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Except people aren't rehashing it to learn, everyone is just rehashing things to assign blame.

That's fair, but I think you can't have one without the other. I mean assigning blame as an end in and of itself is pretty unproductive, but I still do believe that there's something to be gained from those conversations as people use them as springboards to figure out the question of what the fuck to do about this. Shutting down conversations about the election is just not the way to go if your goal is to eventually defeat fascism.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I think the way forward is to get away from both Republicans and Democrats and bring people into power, who are not part of either. Going back to the Democrats is not going to make things better again. Another example for that is the migration and deportation policies of Biden, which were mostly a continuation of Trumps policies.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Who was president when Israel flattened Gaza? Who sent them the weapons to do it? Why do you excuse Biden and the Democrats role in the genocide just because Trump is worse?

The Harris campaign purposefully ignored anyone asking about Gaza.

“We also didn’t create a new category for Gaza responses out of fear that category would be leaked. Instead we were told to mark them as ‘no response,’” the organizer said, faulting top Harris campaign leaders for failing to address the issue. “The only ‘clowns’ out there are those who were in senior leadership and decided to abdicate on this issue, who silenced a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, and who told us to ignore it every time a voter asked us about Gaza.”

I am increasingly disgusted by liberals. I am never voting Democrat again, it is past Biden or Harris being bad, it is the entire base that is genocidal except with polite rhetoric.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

Who is president while Native Americans and Puerto Ricans are being arrested by ICE and threatened with deportation?

Who is president while America gives up on every single climate goal?

Who is president while Elon Musk's people have been given total access to U.S. finances without any sort of security clearances?

I could go on, but I won't, because you are acting like the election was some sort of referendum on Israel. And all I can say to that is that I hope you have the white privilege to not be affected by this at the level of anyone who's skin is a darker shade of peach and the cisgender, heterosexual privilege as well.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Excuse is a different thing altogether than a vote. One is a state of mind. The other impacts who is president and brings that administrations actions into reality. Anyone who did not vote Democrat is responsible for the net difference in those outcomes. A vote is not a protest.