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Dems Reportedly Angry That Progressives Are Pushing Them to Act Like an Opposition Party.
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"Forcing recorded votes is possible. Frequent quorum calls are possible. A wide variety of dilatory motions are possible. In short, harassing the majority is possible. If they think it's a bad idea, say so. If they say it's not possible, they're lying."
I like how politicians voting is considered a time out. It's their job, jfc.
"But if our votes are recorded, our ~~voters~~ corporate donors will know we voted against them!"
Right? This is about providing political cover to centrists who take money from the same oligarchs as conservatives. They just want to pretend they are on our side.
Hay man, they're on our side! When it hardly matters.
Remember all the times people said "Push for bills so when Republicans vote no it's on the record for election season?".
As if Republicans can see anything but the Republican next to the first person's name in a ballot.
They actually can't force votes though, so we'd be getting the same votes and we already knew whenever Republicans stepped out from the ranks such as the Hegseth confirmation where 3 of them abstained but he got appointed anyways. Recorded Votes doesn't stop the Trump admin. The Dems are effectively powerless without 13 Ind + Gop to impeach and remove him or his cabinet members or corrupt federal judges.
Dems have plenty of options available even as a minority party, they just aren't doing so.
Leeja is cool but her opinion was that they're running their tiktok accounts wrong and they were born in the wrong year.
What specifically would YOU do to stop what the Trump admin is doing?
Lmao, I can't believe that's what you got from the video. That was not remotely her point. Her entire point is that the Democrats should be using everything within their polical power to obstruct and delay everything the Trump Admin is trying to do. She gave multiple examples of exactly how they can do that. That's the bare minimum the Democratic Party should be doing. I already participate in local community organizations.
What is it YOU think is in their political power? Specifically.
People didn't vote dems into power and that is why we are in the situation we have now.
Here's an entire comprehensive list. Which was, again, discussed in Leeja Miller's video...
https://indivisible.org/resource/explainer-how-senate-democrats-can-delay-defy-trumps-agenda-procedural-hardball
The Democrats are responsible for losing this election to an unpopular fascist by failing to represent the demands that the majority of their constituents were demanding. Start demanding more from your representatives.
You have incredible patience.
So you want them to do the things they're already doing to delay votes that will happen in short matter regardless of what they do?
Reminder that only simple majority of 51 breaks filibuster for cabinet and judge confirmation hearings since 2013 and 2017 respectively. The DNC stalled for 30 hours because they were allowed to by the GOP, and the hearing still went through as planned. Nothing can stop this.
The Republican party has used every dirty tactic they can to advance their agenda regardless of their current count of votes in the house or Senate. Remember how they refused to confirm a Supreme Court pick for over a year on the off chance that they'd win the 2016 election? Remember how they stonewalled and blocked anything and everything every way they could during the Obama, Trump and Biden administrations? There is no "they go low we go high" because all that gets is more incrementalism
"Every dirty trick" is having actual majorities without independents to caucus. That is exactly why Republicans were able to deny the Obama appointee.
Don't blame the independents. They weren't the fucking turncoats who voted with Republicans.
Sometimes they did. Thats kind of what it means to be Independent, you dont vote with the party. One of them is the reason we don't have public healthcare and instead only medicaid expansion.
Still, a supermajority with caucus would be nice and more than 50 dem would be salvation.
And now you've pivoted from 2020-2022, which is the useless neoliberal majority we were talking about, to 2008-2010, which is the useless neoliberal supermajority that kept the filibuster around just to make sure that the public option died.
After 2011 actually, specifically the most productive and progressive US congress in modern history when Dems had 58 for 72 days in the 111th congress.
When we came up 1 independent vote short of socialized healthcare.
2013 was over a decade ago. Even 2014 was over a decade ago.
It sure is neat how powerless the minority has suddenly become.
I certainly don't remember it. We gave them 58 over a decade ago and less than 50 ever since.
We gave them a majority in 2020. Don't pretend that the two independents that caucused with democrats don't count. The independents didn't vote with republicans. Democrats did.
Nope~ we gave them 48 Dem + 2 Ind, they only picked majority leader with VP tiebreaker.
If Independents counted as Democrats then we would have singlepayer healthcare a decade ago. Face it, those Ind were as likely to fuck us all over on votes as they were to help us.
Idk why you refuse to believe we haven't given Democrats a chance. Just look at the last presidential election: voters chose literally Hitler over the Dems.
Because we gave them the means to pass legislation without a single Republican vote. That was their chance. They used that chance as you wanted, and so you're making excuses for them.
If you can't break filibuster then you can't pass anything without the opposition's graces. The thing about progressives vs conservatives is the progressives have to pass things but conservatives win when nothing happens, and conservatives have been winning for many years.
You could change the senate rules with 50. Stop using the filibuster as an excuse.
The DNC didnt even have 50 in the last decade.
Keep splitting hairs and making excuses.
Democrats have had less than 50 for over a decade, nothing sudden about it.
Their coalition had a majority from 2020-2022. During which time Republicans were all-powerful.
Stop pretending that we didn't give your party a majority that they squandered.
Um akshually
We gave them 48 + 2 Ind and VP tiebreaker gave them the majority leader position who calls votes. They literally did not even have a simple majority even with the Independents.
Stop making excuses.
Stop blatantly lying, then?
Who was the senate majority leader from 2020-2022?
The Senate majority leader selected by 48 Dem 2 Ind, and VP Tiebreaker? While the Republicans had exactly 50?
Gee, those numbers add up to a majority unless you're making excuses.
lmao it literally doesn't. 50 !> 50
50 plus Harris was enough to pass anything they wanted without a single Republican vote. It was a majority. Chuck Schumer was the majority leader, but Democrats continued to behave as though McConnell was.