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They are literally shooting every Russian they spot on their soil, how is that not making a genuine effort toward peace?
He means "capitulate to the enemy"
There are 8 millions russian speakers living in ukraine i hope these don't count as "russian"
Only the Russian imperial narrative is so that Russians speaking people are considered Russians. There are Russian speaking people in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and in many -Stans, they are not Russians.
Not a very useful remark. The Ukrainian army is full of Russians speaking people.
There are ethnic russians there. What i'm pointing out is that "shooting every russian they spot" sounds racist.
I saw you around, and I know also you are Italian, so I will tell you in a way you understand. You are being a "puntalcazzista" to throw shade on Ukraine with vague racism claims. Anybody with a pulse will understand that "shooting every Russian on the spot" means "shooting every invader", and that roughly would include also north Koreans or other ethnicities, should those set foot in Ukraine to assist Russian invasion. You are trying to claim an interpretation that doesn't make sense, because - as I told you and you can easily verify - the Ukrainian army itself is full of Russian speaking people, who you might call "ethnic Russian" - whatever you think that means. So unless you are honestly suggesting that OP was suggesting Ukrainian army is also shooting on the spot to members of its own army, we both know what you are doing.
You must be new here, people have been racist toward russians for a good time.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/27157199
How exactly i'm throwing shade on ukraine by pointing out a racist generalization in comment?
You’re either not understanding the intent of their message or you’re willfully twisting it.
That’s what is being pointed out.
They’re clearly referencing the invaders, you misunderstood and took umbrage where you didn’t need to. Having been corrected you’re still pushing the idea that they were being racist.
You’re acting in bad faith.
How i'm twisting anything? To me it looks like you are try to twist things here accusing me of being in bad faith when i simply pointed out yet another discrimination against "russians" as if they were all bad. Are you aware that there are russian people living in ukraine?
Some of them are getting shot. The ones belonging to an army who is invading. The random resident who immigrated is not being shot
How a statement such as "they are shooting Russians on the spot" discriminatory? It's a statement, not even a call to do that. Stop embarrassing yourself, take the L and just close this post, PD.
“they are shooting italians on the spot”
“they are shooting americans on the spot”
“they are shooting egyptians on the spot”
Replace the country with yours and perhaps you can understand how russian people may find it discriminatory
Ci fai o ci sei?
If someone said "in Afghanistan they were shooting Italians on the spot" I wouldn't find it discriminatory, because I am not an idiot, and I can immediately understand that they refer to the people who went there as a foreign army, not to random Italians.
It's so ridiculous that you are still here arguing about this, and you know why? Because you could have made the same argument about Ukrainians. OP said that Ukrainians are shooting Russians on the spot. Do you think OP meant that all Ukrainians are shooting all Russians? Do you think he meant that 2 yo Ukrainians, take out the pacifier to shoot the random Russian person who works at the local shop and is there for 20 years? Or maybe the obvious message was that Ukrainian army is shooting Russians (in the invading army) on the spot?
No no, let's go and divert attention on a useless conversation for a sentence that was obvious even to rocks.
In any case, do you understand that stating a fact is not discriminatory? OP didn't say "I hope they kill every Russian", ~~he~~ they said "they are shooting", which can't be discriminatory if it's a fact. Reality is not discriminatory. At most it could be false.
“in slovenia they were shooting Italians on the spot”
You know what's ridiculous? Having to change the subject to their country to make people realize that they are being racist
In fact it's not racist even in that case.
Stating a fact can't be racist, even if the meaning is that people were being shot due to their nationality. Nice gotcha, I have used like 3 times examples with Italians to show that this has nothing to do with racism. "You need to use their country to make them realize!". (Also, this reeks of E ALLORA LE FOIBEE!?!?!)
Do you want to claim that Ukrainians are ethnically cleansing Russians? Do that. Provide your argument and do that. Don't go bust the balls of people who say sentences that have nothing to do with that, that clearly don't advocate for that or celebrate that.
Keep on replacing countries until you get it
I can try all the atlas. It's not a matter of which country. I am contesting the principle.
I am not new, but I have a skill that you might find useful, it's called "context".
Because there is no any racial generalization. From the context it was clear to anybody who is in good faith what OP meant. Even if it wasn't, OP comment was a statement on what is happening, so your remark "I hope they don't..." doesn't make any fucking sense, because you can just check what they are doing. Currently Russians in Ukraine that are being shot are invading troops.
So let's make a parallel. "Partisans were shooting germans", in the context of Italian resistance. Do you think it's a racist remark? Would you feel the need to say " oh boy, I hope they don't shoot German civilians", "oh, there are ethnical Germans in the north, I hope they are not shooting them". No you wouldn't, because what you are doing is not in good faith, you are not raising any valid concern, you are just purposefully misunderstanding OP to stir shit.
partisans were shooting germans troops, soldiers or the nazi they weren't “shooting every german on the spot"
No shit, so you do understand that if someone said the sentence quoted in the context of resistance, every person with a pulse will understand "they are shooting German troops soldiers or the Nazi" and not "every person with a German passport, who spoke German, etc."?
Because you are being that obtuse person that would point out how that is a "racist discrimination" and that there were Germans living in Italy at the time. We all know why you are doing it, I keep answering just for fun. I know it, you know it, we are all discussing about nothing, because you know very well what OP meant, if nothing else because I know that Italian public education is at least decent and you know at least how to read.
We know that because we are describing a well documented war that happened in the past. If you were to come out with that quote in 1943 people would think they are shooting at everyone who is german.
You say i'm obtuse but i'm going to throw the ball back at you: you have to be obtuse not to notice the discrimination russians people are going under as a result of their government wrongdoings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Russian_sentiment
Dude, I live in Estonia for 10 years, in a russian-speaking district. Unlike you, I understand russophobia. This conversation is completely out of place in the context of OP statement. You are trying to discuss stuff that is completely irrelevant to what OP said. You are here to stir shit, to make the moral about russophobia in a post where nothing like that was present. Again, if you didn't purposefully try to misinterpret OP's sentence, you would understand that in the context the sentence was clearly meant for Russian soldiers part of an invading force, and hating and shooting them has nothing to do with Russophobia. Please, give me a sign you understand this basic concept.
Lemmy is filled with racism against russian keep hanging around and you will see it
Lemmy is also filled with a lot of stuff. Not a reason to bring it up in random out-of-context conversations.
Go preach to people who do that. Here you were just trying to throw shade at Ukrainians. "See, everyone is bad?!"
You claiming i'm somehow throwing shade at ukrainians is way more out of context than pointing out that a comment sound racist
You are trying to fabricate sympathy for Russians in a post where nobody is attacking them (as russians), about Ukraine military aid. You know what you are doing, you can make the paraculo as much as you want.
Imagine if i were pointing out a racist comment against mexicans and you come up saying i'm trying to fabricate sympathy for them...
You are not though. That's the point. You are making up bullshit to pretend you are to use "pointing out racism" as a moral shield. Pathetic, in fact.
How many English speakers are there in the world. Are they considered English? Don't be stupid.
Don't get confused, ukraine and russia share a border there are many ukrainians living in russia and vice versa
Yeah, I heard there are many Ukrainian kids living in Russia against their will after Russia stole them.
Are they wearing a Russian military uniform? Then they are an enemy combatant.
It's really not that hard, dude.
Not every russian is wearing one
Ok? Ukraine is obviously not targeting civilians in their drone strikes so your point is completely moot.
Let's hope they aren't
Context clues, my friend.
That post is clearly referring to shooting Russian soldiers that have invaded.
And just to help you further, the adjective "Russian" in that sentence refers to the state for which the soldiers fight. So a "Russian soldier" could be some poor dude from North Korea who got shipped over.
To further aid understanding, look at the military of a diverse place like the United States. You will have "American soldiers" working side by side who have different ethnic backgrounds and were even born on other continents.
If USA were to invade mexico and someone would come up with the quote "they are literally shooting every american they spot on their soil" wouldn't it sound odd?
Only if you ignore the context.
If I said “Mexico isn’t even trying to end this war” and you said “they are literally shooting every American that steps across the border!” it would not sound odd at all.
And it certainly wouldn’t sound bigoted against an ethnicity.
No.
I hope every English sepaker doesn't count as "English". Wouldn't want to have a king.