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He voted for Trump. Now his wife sits in an ICE detention center. (www.usatoday.com)

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26925868

Summary

Wisconsin resident Bradley Bartell voted for Trump's promise to crack down on "criminal illegal immigrants," but now his Peruvian wife Camila Muñoz has been detained by ICE.

Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa but had applied for legal residency. On their way home from a honeymoon, immigration agents detained her at a Puerto Rico airport.

Despite no criminal record, she remains in a Louisiana detention center. Her case reflects ICE’s broadened enforcement that now includes documented immigrants.

Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, now questions the impact on families like his own.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What kind of democracy would it be if roughly half the citizens would not be allowed to vote because deemed too stupid? And on what criteria to judge that?

The problem has more to do with education and information (as in media), that many citizens are not being educated and informed to a level/quality allowing them to vote in their best interest.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh, I don't disagree at all! I was making a joke, but seems like it fell through, lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

It's hard to pickup sarcasm through text. Also, people have all kinds of opinions out here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

If we assume there is no such thing as a "perfect" system of government, then I guess the question becomes which is preferable for society: a system that maximizes good, or a system which minimizes harm? Democracy somewhat obviously can't be both of those things, because (as you've correctly pointed out) a truly democratic society has to allow for people to vote against their best interests.

Are we so wedded to the concept of "democracy" that we're fine with it leading to Trump? Historically it would seem that it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, eventually enough people vote against the best interests of themselves or their society that you get a Caesar or Hitler or Trump.

Is that a system worth fighting for? Is that a system worth dying for? Honestly, I don't know. I don't know if any system of government is better.