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Russian economy in freefall as mortgage costs soar and mass layoffs hit firms
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If being at war is so good for the Russian economy, why would Russia accept peace? Or, if it did, why would it not just start another war?
Russia has always preferred peace, with very reasonable red lines to avoid the war, and a peace deal reached 1 month after war started.
The morale and conviction of Russian people and army would not be as high as it is now defending itself from NATO evil, if it were to provoke a conflict with NATO. While economy is productive and outperforming US colonies, its not without problems, nor has a leadership/people that wouldn't prefer peace.
Russia's red lines are that:
Absolutely wild to call these "very reasonable". These red lines are "be our puppet or else"
Ukraine trade with EU is not a reason for war. US led coup that installed nazis that put apartheid laws, and then exterminated areas that wanted autonomy is a reason for war.
Russia annexed Crimea literally a matter of weeks after the revolution. There was not even any time for the interim government to apply policies for Russia to respond to. It also annexed Crimea before the war in Donbass started, so your explanation makes even less sense there. Your conspiracy theory about the US installing the guy that would have absolutely obviously been the leader of an interim government anyway does not help.
Palestine freedom anti genocide protesters started Oct 8. They knew what was coming. Nazis questioning Russia's access to naval base was a natural nazi move, but not going to be entertained. Liberating Crimea was the most obvious area to liberate first. Was never going to accept or deserve nazi rule.
US was involved in fabricating protests, covering up the nazi black flag assassination of protesters, and blaming it on government forces, caught on tape hand picking successor government position. That the coup resulted in the "obvious leader post coup" is not much of a justification for a coup.
What do Palestine protestors have to do with this?
A base that was in Ukraine. Fucking hell, listen to yourself. Imagine if someone said "Oh well it's a natural Nazi move to question America's access to Guantanamo Bay."
Russia didn't liberate shit. Russia took Crimea.
Caught on tape saying that the existing leader of the opposition is the guy that would be the head of the interim government. That's about as much an indication of guilt as an election pollster calling a safe seat correctly.
If America wanted Yatseniuk in power so badly, why did it do nothing to keep him in power?
Crimea was a gift from Khrushchev at a time where people are still alive. Not much Ukrainian migration to Crimea happened in meantime. Ukraine's neutrality was part of the constitution that their independence was gifted. Crimea does not want to be ruled by nazi pig filth. To you, pro NATO nazi pig filth, awesome. Romanian anti-NATO nazi pig filth, straight to jail.
Poroshenko even better nazi, with bonus privatization under capitalist ideology corruption. Helped CIA/US State department finance and media manipulate coup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko
Oh well if it became part of Ukraine in living memory then I guess that makes it absolutely fine, and on that basis the UK is completely within its rights to reconquer Pakistan, which was a gift granted in the partition of India
Are you arguing for ethnostates? If you aren't, it does not matter how many ethnic Ukrainians lived there
Oh, right, another guy who was voted out. Why did the US not install him instead of Yatseniuk, then? Why did they let Zelenskyy beat him?
Thank you for doing the lord's work. You'll never get past the Russo-pilled parrot speak but it's a joy to read sane comments.
Edit: The guy has 1.7k comments in 4 months and literally every one reads like it's pasted from a propaganda LLM. Drives me nuts that you can't have a normal conversation on the internet without being assaulted by this shit...
Zelensky ran on a peace/Minsk compliance platform. Got the Russian vote. With his own nazi, but more moderate nazi, media support. Everything was going to come up CIA anyway.
lmao, right, so basically no matter what happened it was the CIA. That's very convenient.
You think democracy is supposed to lead to progress and shared prosperity? No its CIA capture, that makes democracy write propaganda against CIA enemies that pretend they're winning. West/Ukraine has been winning all along, Russia on brink of collapse, stories have been constant during war. The weakness of this particular feeble attempt is in first paragraph. Lemmy went apoplectic over criticism of absurdity.
You keep throwing the word "nazi" around quite a lot. Explain what it is, and why Ukraine is ruled by nazis now.
Banderites are equivalent enough to nazis. Ukrainian nationalists hateful of USSR/Russia fought with Germany during ww2 including administering extermination camps in Ukraine, and brutal massacres of "wrong" ethnic group villages. Stephan Bandera was their PR leader. He was given national hero with holiday status in 2019.
It was 2010, and it was annulled in 2011. The parliament rejected an attempt to re-commemorate him in 2019.
74% of Ukrainians have favourable view of him. Public celebrations of his birthday have massive turnout, with Poroshenko and Zelensky having praised him, and supported the "failed recommemeration vote". You are technically correct afaik.
Some other EU countries have had their own struggles helping Nazi Germany, and some still have parties that support far-right characters. That doesn't mean that the countries themselves are led by nazis. Furthermore, as the guy above mentioned, the leadership of Ukraine never followed through to regard this guy as a hero today. However, I find the following quite interesting:
So, right before Russia invaded Ukraine, people were against this guy. However, as soon as Ukraine's independence was threatened by the same entity that this guy advocated against, people changed their opinion. The poll was taken immediately after the invasion, which would be a bit of a confounding variable here.
I chalk it up to socio-economic issues due to the Soviet Union, which led to poor education in many areas of Ukraine. See East Germany, where a majority of people have voted for AfD. Oh, and let's not forget the overall negative sentiment against Russia after they invaded in 2014.
Nevertheless, would you argue that invading Ukraine to "denazify" them makes sense in this context? You mentioned atrocities from WW2, but that's not being done today. Whatever deaths that were happening pre-2022 conflict were due to the Donbas War, which Russia also instigated. What reason would you then have to support Russia in this conflict? It is pretty clear that they are pulling in many arguments to justify their expansionist wishes.
Don't get me wrong, I am also of the opinion that the US should gtfo of Europe, but I do not see a reason to excuse whatever Putin's regime has been doing.
I think its the history of hatred fanned by Ukrainian Orthodox Church vs Russia (and their orthodox Church) which happen to have identical interpretations of bible.
14000 dead in Donbas from "nazis". Its not nailing babies to trees by the tongue atrocities, but it still counts.
Donbas: You nazis suck, we want autonomy.
Ukraine: You die, terrorist insurgents.
Russia: Ok we help protect you. Weapons. Advisors.
I don't see it as Russia instigating.
Strongly disagree. Peace terms were always reasonable. US puppets that hate ethnic Russians no longer deserve to rule over them, and it is far better for populations if they separate peacefully.
A return to 2013 Ukrainian rulership is best for Ukraine, even if EU only wants to support the post 2014 nazi rulership to continue antagonizing Russia with terrorism and deprived trade from Russia. EU/IMF did not genuinely want a trade deal with Yanukovych. Just to string him along to fuel CIA protests. Nazis with an EU trade deal while EU isolates itself form Russia and keeps threatening it is not good for anyone, least of which Ukraine puppet control. Continued division and impoverishment of Europe to be manipulated further by US, and who should have a hard time with their schizophrenic support of pro nato nazis and suppression of anti nato nazis. Trump's master success so far is getting colonies to divide themselves further from Russia, and in case of Canada, from China too.
In current peace talks, denazification is not a topic. Only demilitarization. Neutrality. Nazis without rabid EU stupidity backing them are less dangerous, and future elections, including banned parties, might return a Yanukovych type, out of anger for what a failure the nazis were.
TIL the bri'ish natively live in pakistan???
Fucking western cololonialists
I have some shocking news for you about how Russians came to live in Crimea
Now compare the distances, cololonialist
Oh right, colonialism is okay if it's close by is it? Bad news for Ireland I guess
I guess you defend the attack on Fort Sumter too then? Same logic
How on Earth is the aggressor in a civil war the same as the defender in an international war?
I can tell reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit….or memory
Go on then. Be kind and explain your comment to me.
Nazis can’t read and you just prove this fact
Oh damn well that's me convinced. I shall recant my heretical ways and go find a Ukrainian to kick right away.
If ukraine was allowed to install nato weapons, usa would use that to nuke russia, then go to attack china, and then the bezos and zuck and other creatures would enslave and kill every single nonwesterner
But westerners want that because they are inhuman racist monsters
When the euros say "russia will invade europe and kill us all" they're doing projection, they're projecting their own cololonialist fantasies onto those they want to kill, to make up a reason for their rabid crusader behavior
If the US was going to nuke Russia, why on Earth would it need Ukraine? It already has Finland, Estonia, and Latvia if it wants a friendly launch site that's on the border, or Turkiye or Romania if it just wants somewhere close. Besides that, the missiles are "intercontinental" ballistic missiles; they do not need to be on the border. This explanation does not hold up in the slightest.
Okay then we should put the nuclear missiles back in cuba
Okay? I am not even slightly in favour of how the US treats and has treated Cuba. The US doing fucked up stuff does not in any way justify Russia doing fucked up stuff
Ah yes, NATO is all about Ukraine “defending themselves”. That must be why NATO has a history of provocative actions against other nations and lying. Real trustworthy
Ukraine is all about Ukraine being able to defend itself. NATO just happens to be a powerful bloc that has the capacity to defend Ukraine against what threatens it
If Ukraine’s method of defending themselves means NATO then that isn’t defending themselves.
They should just roll over and die then, should they? Is China about to extend a guarantee to Ukraine? I can't think of anyone else that could meaningfully face off against Russia in Ukraine
Sounds like you've been guzzling the anti-freeze vodka again, dumbass Yuri. Ruzzia is a third world shithole country, where even your women hate you, since they're all trying to marry westerners. If only all your people didn't have to squat over open latrine pits, maybe they could read a newspaper in civilized comfort, and realize just how much Pootang the Tinyman has stiffed them. Ruzzia will never get back it's foreign investments and it will be paying reparations forever. You will stay a peasant forever. Which is well deserved :)