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[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Just in case anyone reading doenst know - the free tool Rufus can write a Win 11 ISO to your usb drive md remove all the silly soft requirements.

[–] shininghero@pawb.social 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Or better yet, windows 10 LTSC. Which will be supported for another 2 years. 4 if you subsequently switch the product key to the IOT LTSC version.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The hurdles windows users are willing to put up with is nothing less than amazing. That's not a good thing.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Or look at it the other way: they hate Linux so much they'd rather deal with that than deal with Linux.

[–] THB@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would love to learn and deal with Linux, unfortunately the software I need for work only supports Mac or Win

[–] j4yt33@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's possible you can run it through wine, might be worth a try

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Much business oriented software just hasn't had the work done on it to work on Wine. Really the only reason I have to run Windows now is the 3D CAD software I use and my best option at this point is running it in a Windows VM on my server. And no Freecad and Fusion360 aren't suitable options, they both suck.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Ouch that's unfortunate. At least keep your old hardware for personal use Linux when you get new work PC. Get your feet wet with the ecosystems

[–] shininghero@pawb.social 4 points 2 days ago

Oh, I already have Linux on my laptop. It's my desktop that still has some blockers preventing a full Linux transition.
Primarily the Pimax headset. Once I get a suitable replacement, I'll actually be able to start testing and transferring stuff.

[–] d3lta19@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

IOT version is supported until 2032

[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

oh nice - thanks for sharing, i was not aware of this and will add it to my toolbox!

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The free OS Linux also doesn't pull this crap, and Rufus can write a Linux ISO to your USB drive and remove Microsoft's gaslighting from your life.

[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

gaslighting

Bro, i cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.x and served in the Great Linux / Windows wars of 95 and 98…

but im not so sure MS ever gaslit anyone. everyone seemed to have a pretty solid perception of reality.

Maybe the term gaslighting means something new to you 🤷

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I use it in the sense that Microsoft is changing what you perceive to be ownership. They're essentially gaslighting you into believing that they actually own your PC, and that you need to upgrade to be compatible with Windows, instead of Windows being compatible with your hardware.

[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I use it in the sense

right, like i figured, you’ve got your own definition 👍

They're essentially gaslighting you into believing that they actually own your PC

can you share some examples of this behavior?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Here's the definition I see:

psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one's emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetrator

My use is a bit hyperbolic, sure, but it's in the same vein.

Microsoft has slowly been taking more control:

  • Microsoft Store w/ UWP apps - attempt at lock-in
  • secure boot - makes some sense kn corporate devices, little sense on consumer devices and just forced Linux distros to scramble to support it
  • Windows login - first optional, then default, then you need a workaround to avoid it
  • Windows 11 essentially forcing a hardware upgrade, not for performance reasons, but "lock-in" reasons (need TPM because... security?)

They're really trying to take the "personal" out of "personal computer," all in the name of "security," implying that other approaches are "insecure."

In other words, they're trying to alter what we see as "reality" when it comes to control over our own devices.

[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

My use is a bit hyperbolic

it really is, across the board.

It’s not 1998 anymore. No one cares about the desktop anymore as long as you can run Firefox.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I absolutely care, but maybe that's because I'm a developer by trade.

[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

i’m sure 👍

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but will updates work? And even if they do, what's stopping Microsoft in disabling them somehow?

Nowadays if you want to have usable Windows installation you need to use a bunch of 3rd party scripts that might break on next update. Learning Linux is easier than this shit.

I can't wait for someone to ask me how to solve some shit in Windows, and me saying that I don't have patience for this crap.

[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

updates work.

MS won’t disable them - they want people to move to Windows 11.

Congrats on migrating to Linux! it’s what i’ve been pushing friends and family towards for decades, and thankfully Ubuntu is in a position right now to be a fine desktop OS, esp for the average user who lives in a web browser.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am using Debian stable, since I no longer care about having latest stuff and the whole Debian-like ecosystem is what I am the most familiar with. As for Ubuntu I never had good experience with it, with random crashes all the time last time I used it (about 10-12 years ago), and when I tried it last year, I encountered random crashes in GNOME apps just after finishing setup.

Linux Mint (regular or LMDE) is what I'd probably install on other people computers though. Literally never had problems with it (used it about 10 years ago on a netbook).

[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

sure sounds like you have some funny hardware configurations with all these issues you have across OSes.

👍

[–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Windows updates don't work correctly a lot of the time if you've bypassed the requirements. My predecessor at work installed 11 on some ancient systems and it's been a hassle.

[–] deadkennedy@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

I’ve had no issues on the machines i’ve done this with, aside from having to do an upgrade in place with a major update (used rufus, write the latest iso, did the upgrade from the bootable usb.

regular windows updates work without hassle. perhaps your predecessor didn’t use a complete solution 🤷