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Yeah but you know "whatabout ..."
Apparently two things cannot be bad at the same time.
Do you want to win an election or do you want to be morally superior?
Everyone in America heard the Republicans go on and on and on about Hilary's emails. That's where they are vulnerable.
Shilling for a 3rd Party at this late date is silly at best.
Your comment perfectly represents the moral bankruptcy of the Democratic party. The obsession with elections and compromising, even when the midterms are almost two years away.
A proper opposition party would hammer the substance and put the institutional failures on full display. If you don't have principles, there's no point to winning power anyway.
By your logic, no one who opposed Hitler should have taken aid from the capitalist and racist Americans or the British empire.
Look at the real world. the GOP is using every dirty trick imaginable, but we should lose with dignity and honor intact.
Have you considered that maybe moral bankruptcy isn't the most effective way to win elections, at least not if you're presenting as the slightly-less-right-wing option? The Democratic party is broken, nobody is buying their shit any more, and that's why someone like Trump can get elected. There is no opposition party. It's not a problem that will get fixed by ignoring it.
Do you really think calling them hypocrites is gonna work when it hasn’t the 5000 other times? Dems don’t need to go after republican voters or smear republican. It’s been shown that obviously does not work. They need to be a party people want to vote for.
I've been saying it for a while now.
In WW2 the most progressive people on the planet lined up to get help from the racist Americans and the British empire because they saw Hitler was worse.
If you need to be coaxed into fighting Trump, you're not anti-fascist, you're desperate for attention.
BTW, I donated to Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024. It was the Progressives who failed me, not the Dems.
I’m mostly just confused by what you’re even trying to say about my post here? I said stop doing what doesn’t work and start doing something good? And your response is… uh… hitler was bad? I don’t?
Also, if you think the dems have nothing to do with progressives losing, then lol.
I'm responding to that idea.
If you need to be coaxed into voting against Trump you're not anti-fascist, you're desperate for attention.
And progressives like AOC and Omar managed to win inside the Dem Party.
Like I said, I'd love to be able to vote for an actual Progressive. Too bad they keep dropping the ball.
To think progressives are dropping the ball, but not the DNC, who has sued 3rd parties off ballots, pushed back as hard as they can against progressives(including spending DNC money against progressives in primaries & running attack ads on 3rd party), certainly is a DNC style take.
To say "not being trump" should be enough is fucking wild. That is the epitome of democracy huh? "You can't vote for a good candidate, or one that would represent your ideals. You must vote based on who you hate most! You have to support the system that forces this! it is good! and balanced!"
I'll pass dude.
Do you want to win an election? Because what the DNC is currently doing hasn't worked very well for that.
We've known that people don't vote rationally in a democracy for almost three thousand years. Why do you keep expecting this to change?
If you want to win elections you must both appear morally superior and promise material gains. Making morally bankrupt rationalizations just turns the masses away.
Every time someone made the argument "yes we're sponsoring genocide, but Trump will be worse" you lost votes. You just made people more nihilistic.
Late... date? Does the 24/7 campaign cycle mean we can never discuss how we can get the unrepresented in our country involved in the political process?
These people have been having American and British bombs dropped on then for 10 years by now, via the planes of America and Britain's ally, Saudi Arabia.
WTF do you expect from them other than hatred for America?!
Do you expect some kind of thankfulness for the whole "I might be randomly killed tomorrow when the bus I'm traveling in gets hit by an American bomb"? Because that would be like expecting Americans to be thankful to Al-Queda after 9/11 (only worse so because far more civilians have been killed in Yemen with American bombs by America's ally than in 9/11) rather than hate the hell out of the fuckers that killing innocent people.
America's actions in Yemen have basically been the equivalent of helping Nazi Germany bomb the shit out of France and the Résistance Française and then shifting to directly bombing the Résistance themselves with little care for collateral damage by using "they hate us" as an excuse.
It's like the whole Iran situation:
And ditto for Palestine which is very much a similar situation but even worse.
I mean, you gotta be quite the tribalist muppet or extremely insular (or, more commonly, both) to keep on believing the same decades old style of excuse from American Politicians for killing people in far away lands which itself justifies giving tons of taxpayer money to military suppliers for weapons and ammo (the real objective) instead of putting it in Healthcare or Education, because there is no way you can't put 2 and 2 together otherwise.
Why isn’t the US doing anything to stop the genocide in Gaza? “Death to America” is nothing compared to enabling a genocide which both the current and past administrations are guilty of. Enforcing a naval blockade on Israel is hardly criminal when Israel is intentionally starving and slaughtering Palestinians.
But even if the Houthis are as bad as you claim, even worse than the US or Israel, how does that justify targeting hospitals and civilians?
They resisted against the brutal Saudi puppet government, and have been resisting genocide ever since.
Yemen has been undergoing a US-Saudi backed genocide for years
The 'Curse upon the Jews' part of the slogan is completely unacceptable, any conflation of Zionism and Judaism is. There are plenty of things the Houthis do that is also completely unacceptable, utilizing child soldiers is another major one. There are plenty of things they deserve to be criticized on, and human rights organizations do a great job documenting and communicating those atrocities.
This isn't about good guys or bad guys. This is about an entire population subjected to a genocide. There are plenty of reasons to not like the Houthis, but that doesn't change the reality that they only exist as a resistance to the ongoing genocide. The point isn't that the Houthis are good, it's that the genocide, facilitated by the US and our Ally Saudi Arabia, is significantly worse by multiple magnitudes.
The root cause of the problem is still the genocide, that's a much bigger concern, especially to the people of Yemen, than to stop or reform the Houthis themselves. They can only be addressed in a realistic way, by the people of Yemen, once the genocide ends.
And yet Ansarallah holds the moral high ground because they oppose genocide and we sponsor it. Sucks doesn't it?
We bombed civilian water supplies and infrastructure which led to over 300K dead. Far worse than the official figures from Gaza. No, we do not have the moral high ground to criticize the houthis. We are in fact more amoral and bloodthirsty than them. 👊🇺🇸🔥
We armed the Saudis and provided targeting for them to destroy Yemeni water supplies and other civilian infrastructure. We then also blockaded and starved the people of Yemen which led to +300k dead.
I also don't trust the accusation that the Ansarallah deliberately starved their own people when it comes from the nation causing the food shortage in the first place. Its far more likely that they seized aide to distribute themselves to maintain loyalty. Not a moral practice but I've only ever said that we are worse.
Kill the jingoist in your head.
I'm not a fan of the Houthis, but these people are really the equivalent of American guntoting Y'alliban. They like their guns and they like their free speech and they hate foreign countries propping up dictators who oppress them.
Where did I call them freedom fighters?
I certainly don't think the Y'alliban are freedom fighters.
I am no fan of the Houthis, but you can't just ignore that they were also oppressed by a dictator propped up by the USA and that they suffered one of the worst famines in the 21st century thanks to the USA and Saudi-Arabia.
They are Yemeni Nationalists propped up by Iran.
No one has clean hands in this conflict.
This is the important fact to remember about Yemen. The US has been helping SA starve this country at least since 2016. Probably longer.
"they're bad guys, so it's ok to level apartment buildings full of civilians" is the kind of reasoning that Americans love to employ against non white countries, but would get real unhappy if it was employed against them