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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I think it’s insane that proof of citizenship isn’t a requirement

If a citizen loses their passport or birth certificate, should they be disenfranchised?

and that states aren’t mandated to give IDs to their citizens

The extreme Christians would never go for that, because they equate it to the Mark of the Beast in the Bible. I'm not joking.

https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/just-time-independence-day-renewed-call-national-id-card

This isn’t a partisan issue. In 1981, at the outset of the Reagan administration, then-Attorney General William French Smith argued that a national worker ID would be necessary to stop illegal immigration. At a cabinet meeting another member jokingly suggested that it would be easier simply to tattoo an identification number on everyone. President Reagan then exclaimed, “My God! That’s the mark of the beast,” effectively ending the Reagan administration’s discussion of a national ID system.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Speaking as a European here, just seems ridiculous to me, sorry for any misunderstandings, but y’all should have mandatory IDs and just use census data for voter registration

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

The Republican argument is that there is rampant voter fraud and so some type of proof of who you are is needed to allow voting and curtail all that fraud.

The truth is there is very little fraud at the voter level. They want to make voting difficult for certain groups of people who are more likely to not vote for them, and this is one route they take. Other methods are gerrymandering districts to favor their side more, not allowing more times and places for working people to have a chance to vote, and actual physical intimidation by their groupies near voting areas.

So this is just a problem invented in order to solve in ways that will help the right wing. Nothing more.

Now, there is a trend of repeated voting fraud, but it's not at the voter level, but at manipulation of voting counts through lawsuits, or outright alterations or loss of mass numbers of votes. Guess what party those votes tend to be leaning towards?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Most US citizens do not have a passport and I'm sure a large number have lost their birth certificate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

In 1981, [ #reasons ]

"We did it this way because that's how the discussion happened" isn't science, unless you're quoting Grace Hopper or a "5 monkey" experiment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

If a citizen loses their passport or birth certificate, should they be disenfranchised?

No. What a weird question. You go get another one at the DMV. It'll take you a half-hour.

Why the drama over a lost card?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

You go get another one at the DMV. It’ll take you a half-hour.

What fantasy world do you live in?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Have you ever been to the DMV? If you show up without an appointment they tell you to come back at 4am to form a line.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No they haven't ever been in a DMV. They're not even in America.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

If they've seen Zootopia they don't get why the sloths work the DMV in that movie.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Lucky! My local DMV doesn't take people without an appointment, and the only way to make an appointment is online. If you try over the phone they'll tell you to ask the nice people at the local library to help you.

Btw, they didn't tell the library about this policy. As a librarian, I do not like being an extension of the DMV, but I try and help my patrons. Including the dickhead that argued for the defunding of the library but now needs help making an appointment.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

I don't live in bumpfuck nowhere, I live just outside a major metropolitan city. My wife had to wait 3 months to get her DL renewed and she had to drive over an hour to get to the office, IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING CITY!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Um. My son is getting his learner’s permit, we had to make an appointment at DMV, and the waitlist was 3 weeks. So, you sure about that?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

When I moved to a new state, I went to the DMV without an appointment. I was there for over 5 hours and then it took nearly 3 months for my new license to arrive in the mail. When it did, they got my birthday wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

My old roommate waited 3 weeks to get a drivers license, and they spelled his name wrong on it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Neither of those can be acquired at the DMV. It actually takes a long time to get a passport because they have to do a lot of checks. In certain cases you can pay to speed up the process but I doubt that'd be possible if people needed it to vote. Too many people in too short a window.