And proof of citizenship is undue burden that violates your constitutional rights.
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ONLY because the US makes ID cards some bizarre expensive thing.
Canada: bring your health card or driver license or passport. Present it when you get to the volunteer who crosses your name off the list and gives you the paper ballot so you can mark an x.
It's only a big impairment in America because they needed to somehow make it so. It's baffling.
It's only a big impairment in America because they needed to somehow make it so. It's baffling.
I genuinely can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but making voting difficult in US is intentional.
I've actually seen some arguments that requiring ID for voting would be legal if it were easy to acquire and free. Of course, the politicians arguing for ID requirements also oppose any attempt to make ID free.
And if they were able to pass something requiring ID, their next target would be making it difficult or impossible to get IDs in liberal areas.
Canada: bring your health card or driver license or passport
Or library card, blood donor card, credit card, a bank statement, a cheque stub from the government, a tax return assessment...the list is long.
Can we just stop pretending that this is even remotely an issue. The Right wants us all to debate this topic and keep it constantly in the news not because they actually think it's an issue either, but because it's yet another law they can in bad faith exploit to divide, confuse, and disenfranchise people.
We already have laws for this, and they work. End of story.
The only reason people debate whether or not this is an issue is because bad faith actors get conservative media to tell people that this fake problem is real.
The data has never supported their argument, and when you point that out, they fall back to their old counter arguments of a) a couple random cases out of millions, and b) “there must be corruption, because I live in an echo chamber, I only know people who vote like me, and I can’t imagine that my views are not shared by the broader population.”
Trump merrily ignores court.
I'm sure they'll be consequences for TurdNugget this time.
Any second now. Anyyyyy seconddddd now, or now. You just wait, it'll happen. Very soon. Maybe now? Or now? Nnnnnnnnoooooowww?
You wait and see, just wait....
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NOW? no, ok, well it'll deffo happen soon.
It's not something he can ignore, because he doesn't run the elections, the states do. This just lets blue states ignore his order.
Halts? It is coming back and hell gut women voters so his 2028 merch can sell for him to run again.
I think it’s insane that proof of citizenship isn’t a requirement, and that states aren’t mandated to give IDs to their citizens
I think it’s insane that proof of citizenship isn’t a requirement
If a citizen loses their passport or birth certificate, should they be disenfranchised?
and that states aren’t mandated to give IDs to their citizens
The extreme Christians would never go for that, because they equate it to the Mark of the Beast in the Bible. I'm not joking.
https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/just-time-independence-day-renewed-call-national-id-card
This isn’t a partisan issue. In 1981, at the outset of the Reagan administration, then-Attorney General William French Smith argued that a national worker ID would be necessary to stop illegal immigration. At a cabinet meeting another member jokingly suggested that it would be easier simply to tattoo an identification number on everyone. President Reagan then exclaimed, “My God! That’s the mark of the beast,” effectively ending the Reagan administration’s discussion of a national ID system.
Speaking as a European here, just seems ridiculous to me, sorry for any misunderstandings, but y’all should have mandatory IDs and just use census data for voter registration
The Republican argument is that there is rampant voter fraud and so some type of proof of who you are is needed to allow voting and curtail all that fraud.
The truth is there is very little fraud at the voter level. They want to make voting difficult for certain groups of people who are more likely to not vote for them, and this is one route they take. Other methods are gerrymandering districts to favor their side more, not allowing more times and places for working people to have a chance to vote, and actual physical intimidation by their groupies near voting areas.
So this is just a problem invented in order to solve in ways that will help the right wing. Nothing more.
Now, there is a trend of repeated voting fraud, but it's not at the voter level, but at manipulation of voting counts through lawsuits, or outright alterations or loss of mass numbers of votes. Guess what party those votes tend to be leaning towards?
Most US citizens do not have a passport and I'm sure a large number have lost their birth certificate.
In 1981, [ #reasons ]
"We did it this way because that's how the discussion happened" isn't science, unless you're quoting Grace Hopper or a "5 monkey" experiment.
If a citizen loses their passport or birth certificate, should they be disenfranchised?
No. What a weird question. You go get another one at the DMV. It'll take you a half-hour.
Why the drama over a lost card?
You go get another one at the DMV. It’ll take you a half-hour.
What fantasy world do you live in?
Have you ever been to the DMV? If you show up without an appointment they tell you to come back at 4am to form a line.
No they haven't ever been in a DMV. They're not even in America.
If they've seen Zootopia they don't get why the sloths work the DMV in that movie.
Lucky! My local DMV doesn't take people without an appointment, and the only way to make an appointment is online. If you try over the phone they'll tell you to ask the nice people at the local library to help you.
Btw, they didn't tell the library about this policy. As a librarian, I do not like being an extension of the DMV, but I try and help my patrons. Including the dickhead that argued for the defunding of the library but now needs help making an appointment.
I don't live in bumpfuck nowhere, I live just outside a major metropolitan city. My wife had to wait 3 months to get her DL renewed and she had to drive over an hour to get to the office, IN A DIFFERENT FUCKING CITY!
Um. My son is getting his learner’s permit, we had to make an appointment at DMV, and the waitlist was 3 weeks. So, you sure about that?
When I moved to a new state, I went to the DMV without an appointment. I was there for over 5 hours and then it took nearly 3 months for my new license to arrive in the mail. When it did, they got my birthday wrong.
My old roommate waited 3 weeks to get a drivers license, and they spelled his name wrong on it.
Neither of those can be acquired at the DMV. It actually takes a long time to get a passport because they have to do a lot of checks. In certain cases you can pay to speed up the process but I doubt that'd be possible if people needed it to vote. Too many people in too short a window.
Verification of citizenship is already done, the burden just isn't on the citizen. You have to provide a lot of information to register and if it doesn't check out you won't get registered or you'll be arrested if you falsified something. Successfully registering when you're not a citizen requires either big lapses on the govt side or extensive personal info from a US citizen. This is why immigrants voting, legal or illegal, is incredibly rare.
Read article?
Oh, no thanks. I just ate.
Still insane that congress hasn't enacted mandatory ID’s for both voter registration (although you could and should go by census data) and hasn’t enacted mandatory ID’s more generally
I don't think you understand what the Census is in the United States.
Every 10 years, each household gets a long form to fill out. In it, you voluntarily list a ton of information about your household members. If you don't fill it out people (census workers) come around and try and get this information in person.
The census is only as accurate as the people filling it out.
You are objectively incorrect
funny the only states that mandate excessive amounts of ID, are red states. blue states make it possible for you to vote whenever it can. they dont have the fuckery the red states have with voting. low turnout almost always help republicans when used with Voter suppression.
Hey Americans, just establish a national identity document already. Belgium, Spain, Germany, Greece and other European countries that are definitely not tyrannies have them. It will fix so many of your problems.
That's strongly opposed by the same people who want to require proof of citizenship and identification to vote