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Pope Francis was from S. America, so technically this is not the first American pope.
Quick question: what is the demonym (a word used to identify people who are from a particular place) of the people from the USA?
Cunts?
Morons feels more accurate. As a moron anyway.
Sad this doesn't extend to French people as well.
First the Fr*nch would have to qualify as people
A group of cunts is called an America/United States of cunts
Yanks
US-American, often abbreviated to just American.
American. Or if we're being a little silly 'Murican.
US Americans
Amusingly, the very first search result I got for "US americans" is Exactly what I thought it would be
According to English speakers who didn't understand the proper meaning of words like "continent," it's "Americans." It's stuck around now though.
According to most other languages and nations who use more accurate descriptors, it's closer to "Statesman." You know, people from the 'United States'
Personally I'd say Statesian than Statesman, but it is the same thing
Typical nationalist South American, doesnβt understand that there are countless continental models and none is more correct than the others but still demands English speakers use their languages meaning.
How about you stop being such a nationalistic little colonial cunt and enforcing your language on others?
I mean, if you looked at my post history to see I was born in South America you'd have seen that I refer to myself as an American, like from the US.
That being said, using words incorrectly like "nationalist," especially "nationalist South American," which according to your fee-fees is a continent, not a nation, just goes to prove the point I made.
Also "colonial." You're just throwing buzzwords without understanding them, or rather, you're just throwing words without understanding them.
I was clearly being snarky about it, language is ever flowing, changing, and contradicting itself with words such as 'napron' into 'apron,' 'metaphorically' into 'literally,' or the thousands of borrowed words that mean what they are like 'hound dog' and 'chai tea.'
How about you stop being so blindly sensitive to someone making a sensible point about the only language you know and maybe laugh at yourself a little.
When someone says it's stupid that in Spanish cars are male and clouds are female I don't clutch my pearls, I laugh and agree that it's stupid.
the typical hispanic noun for someone from the usa is still "american" lil bro, nobody is enforcing anything. at least not from this side of the pond, anyways
No it's not, it's "Estadounidense."
"Estados Unidos" is United States, and "-ense" is a suffix referring to origin or belonging.
I never said enforcing, it's more like Americans are the one friend who bought themselves a leather jacket, burst into the room, pulled down their sunglasses and said "you can now call me... The Bossman Guy" and everyone else rolled their eyes and said sure
So now everyone calls them The Bossman Guy even though he's not even the boss
you werent the one who mentioned anything about enforcing though, so i wasnt referring to you
and yes, im aware of "estadounidense", but in most translations/localizations ive seen nowadays "americano" or "americana" is used, too, which is the same as american, because the thing has been around so long that cultural globalization just made it the new standard
of course, colloquially speaking we just call them "gringos" more often than not, for the same language reasons they call themselves 'americans'. difference being who is the neocolonialist lmao but, i digress
That's exactly right in my opinion too, I gotcha
Pretending to more grammatically correct and calling it "statesman." lol. We all live in states, whether you're in the united states of America or not, unless you live in some kind of anarchist or libertarian commune in the ocean or something.
Language is made up. The term used to refer to people from the USA in English is American essentially everywhere. It doesn't define anything. That's just the word used, and that's OK. For example, ketchup isn't a fermented fish sauce either, despite the original word possibly meaning that, but you likely wouldn't complain about that, because we all know what it means and that's the word we've decided to use for it.
Like I said, English speakers. English isn't the only language, and in most other languages it's closer to Statesman.
As I stated in a comment below, it's like having the one friend who burst into the room and declaring himself 'the Bossman guy' and every other nation in the world was like "okay Kyle, we'll call you the Bossman Guy since your parents are rich and you're a violent bully and we don't want to fight you on your identity issues.
And yes, language is always evolving, that's how it works.
And we're speaking English...
The demonym for a German in English is German, despite it being Deutsch in German. Is this an issue?
No one is telling other language speakers what to say. I English it's the dymonym of someone from the USA is American though, and it has been for a very long time, before it was even the nation of the USA, when it was still "British America." it wasn't force or violence that made it happen, and that makes you look very ignorant. It shows your clearly just making this stand as some anti-america (which I have problems with too) position, not from an actual position of logic and reason.
Again, we all live in states, so how is statesman any less confusing than American? It's arguably significantly worse as it implies membership to far more people than it actually includes.
I'm not anti-america.
This is the same thing as when people get upset about saying 'chai tea' or 'hound dog'
It was originally something else, people from a certain place used it differently, and now it's its own word. I was being snarky, I myself use 'American,' at the end of the day, who cares?
Fair enough. There's a lot of tankie here that make the same argument as you, but because they just hate the US. Their preferred term is usually USAsian though, so maybe I should have recognized you weren't one of them.
Fair enough, yeah, I don't wanna be confused with tankies lol
I love the US, and I want to help it be better too.
USers.
In the opposite way that when saying Asians no one thinks of Russians, no one thinks of Chileans when you say Americans.
There is 'Usonian', but nobody uses it.
I think "US-American" is the most accurate, least controversial, and most grammatically correct one there is π
South America is South America, not America.
So yes, technically the first American pope. Not the first Pope from the Americas.
By that logic he's the first North American pope.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas
Yes? Heβs both from the country of America and from the continent of North America.
This is very basic English, it shouldnβt be blowing your mind.
Hes the second American pope. America refers to both north and south america. The United States of America only referes to a part of America.
He may be the first north american pope and the first pope from the united states of america, but hes not the first american pope.
No.
We follow a different continental model than you do that separates them into two different continents of North America and South America.
Which continental model you use here is entirely irrelevant anyway because in neither model is north america referred to as just "america". The only time that just "America" is used is to refer to the union of north and south america.
There is no country of America. There is the united states of america which would make the pope a statesman. So you can have the first north american pope, the first statesman pope, or just settle for second american pope.
What??? Of course we dont call North America simply America, why would you even think that was an argument I was making? That goes against everything Iβve said.
And there is a country of America, itβs the United States of America. No one calls Germans from the Federal Republic of Germany - Federalisians, same goes for anywhere else including America.
Actually, literally the entire world excepted the US does call them "United States of America", if not only "United States", with traductions of those. The French use "Γtats-Unis", often not specifying America, as do the Spanish speaking world with "Estados unidos". And, yeah, we often just say "Germany", 'cause Germany doesn't try to appropriately the name for the entirety of the continent they sit on, like that one weirdo country does.
Cool, do you see me going up to them and demanding they speak it like the English do? Stop being a shitcunt and trying to force your language and cultural norms on other peoples.
Oh and Germany does take on the name of a geographical region spanning more than the present day nation state called Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germania
Your entire argument for why everyone should just do what you want is simply "We do it this way" and "The US is stupid"? Like seriously grow the fuck up mate.
Absolutely false. In Canada essentially everyone calls them Americans. The country is referred to 99% of the time as one of these three: America, The States, The US.
Oh yeah, the US and the one country next to them, whom they exported all their norms and culture to should definitely be a standard for the entire world, aye?
You can just say you were wrong lol
Stop being annoying. You're changing words around to fit your message. We're referring to American, not America. That might be a confusing distinction to make for you, but sometimes the meaning of words don't exactly follow their etymology.
America(s) refers to that, yes. American is basically always used to refer to people from the USA. I can tell by the careful wording that you are aware of this and just trying to be pedantic and annoying, which I don't understand, but I guess you get a kick out of it.
There are lots of words that describe things that dint match their original meaning anymore. I used the example ketchup a minute ago. It probably came from a word meaning a fermented fish sauce, yet it isn't that anymore. Should we change the name, or is the fact we all understand it to mean a sweet tomato based sauce (unless stated otherwise) a good enough reason to keep going as we are?
America isn't a country.
You are talking about the USA
"American" is the official demonym of the United States but people here will fight you on that for whatever reason.
Here in Murica the colloquial meaning of an unqualified "America" is "the United States of America" its just the way we speak Β―\_(γ)_/Β―