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Anyone could turn around from what trump did in his 1st term. Yes, the world would be better if he won, but that’s the irony. Biden’s ego delivered another trump victory. It sucks but that’s what happened. If he can’t deliver a clear message, he is not the person that’s going to defeat a lifelong con man. Blaming voters doesn’t win elections and isn’t a path forward. Biden was and is shit for his role in the Gaza genocide alone
And now things are worse there too.
Being a single issue voter on the Gaza topic just makes the world a worse place.
The question you're trying to dodge was "is Biden a piece of shit for enabling a genocide" not "is Trump worse".
Usually if you agree with 80% of what someone does you call them an ally.
With some on the left if you don't agree with 99.9% of what they do then they're an enemy and it makes them useless as a political bloc.
No matter how tough the single issue is you've got to look at the full picture and make a choice from there which I have.
Biden is not a piece of shit and Trump is making the situation worse and the fault lays on people who voted for Trump or chose to stay home.
So someone who enables genocide is not, in your moral framework, a piece of shit. Full stop. Not even a "lesser evil" argument, just straight out not-evil.
Good that we've got that definitively stated.
I just posted this but it's worth repeating.
Does it matter how morally bankrupt the 20% is?
Asking before I pose any analogies you might think is unfair
It can’t be any more unfair then the purity testing the left puts all of their own through.
Idk man. If, just as an example, Biden "shot someone in the middle of 5th avenue", i think it would be hubris to expect him not to lose any voters
You can call that 'purity testing' if you want, but I'd say that the expectation for it to have no effect is just wishful thinking.
You dont understand its actually really important that I be able to ignore the genocide and operate as if it isnt happening otherwise youre purity testing me and I cant accept being called a bad person for handwaving it away. This is why "the left" is so divided, too many people hung up on the genocide. What happened to imperfect allies! /s
It seems it’s a bigger problem now though.
Blame the two party system which make people switch between the two bad options till the worst happen and the worst of the worst candidate finally won
Personally I blame the voters and non-voters.
I also blame the voters for voting for the two genocidal parties
Genocide has quickly become the biggest thought and conversation ending cliché among the left.
Gotta draw the line somewhere, and the left decided that genocide is that hard line that under no circumstances should be crossed.
If you don't draw the line at genocide, then where exactly do you draw the line?
Nah the left backed double genocide and there’s blood on their morally pure hands.
When the single issue is a genocide that the USA is fully complicit with it is well worth it .
Not when there were two options on the election. One of two people were going to win and a performative vote for neither was as good as a vote for Trump. I agree that Biden was not a good person and his complacency in genocide is atrocious, but he would have been better now than Trump is.
There was two options because the majority of Americans decided so for being fine with a two party system for decade if not more than a century . You can't blame third party voters which even if they all voted for Harris she would still lost for wanting change
For Americans yes, for Gaza not all all. Trump being vocal about ethnic cleansing plan make you think he is a lot worse but the USA was never going to oppose Israel. Facts on the group is that the USA been giving billions dollars to Israel and unlimited diplomatic support no matter who is in charge. Democrats can't keep saying over and over about how Biden was trying to hard to stop the war , it won't make it true when no real pressure was done with actions supporting it.
We already forgot about Bush war crimes and don't want it to happen again. Don't think I will forget that trump continued support the genocide when he is out either.
There were two options because the US has a FPtP voting system that always devolves to a two party system. The American voters didn't decide to go two part as a whole, it was predetermined.
I can absolutely blame third party and non voters. Everyone of them was complacent with a Trump victory, because unless they're completely ignorant, that was the known outcome. Doesn't matter how you want to paint it, that's the reality.
Keep lying yourself, keep complain, keep blaming third party voters and let the United Snake self destruct itself.
The reality is that third party voters has zero real effect on the ground about Harris losing . No amount of blaming will change that.
If you don't want to remind people about Biden complicity it's your choice but don;t tell other what to say
Maybe you've not read anything else I've posted. Biden is a POS and his complacency is disgusting. Trump is worse. If every 3rd party voter voted Harris, she would have won the popular vote and district depending, maybe the electoral as well. Everyone of them is also to blame. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, go ahead, but third party and non voters were complacent with a trump presidency. If they weren't, they'd have voted for Harris. Doesn't matter what hoops you jump through to justify, reality is reality, unless your into "alternate facts" like more typical Trump supporters.
I been talking with multiple users on the post. I may get confused in certain points , forget some etc.
Lol it is you who do alternate facts. If every 3rd party voters voted harris she would still lost popular vote.
Just like cult follower you can't see facts
What's 75,000,000 + 2,800,000? Is it more than 77,300,000?
Math is hard for some people, and to those of you that struggle with it (the answer is yes, 77.8 million is more than 77.3 million) it may seem like alternative facts, but really, it's elementary level research and math.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/2024
This feels like talking to anti-abortionist.
'When the issue is killing babies there's nothing to talk about.'
Don't compare abortion to genocide
I'm making a point about single issue voters.
Genocide aka mass murdering a whole population or losing certain rights which is worst?
Probably not being able to understand the point.
Abolitionist, more like.
Maybe the temperance movement.