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Remembered for this by the Americans.
I sometimes think they get so fixated on this as some kind of psychogical distraction to avoid remembering their own country spent most of that war sitting on the sidelines making a profit.
Wut? The US was still in the middle of economic disaster when WW2 began. What reason did the US have to enter Europe until Germany's allies attacked us?
Yeah but you should know by now the US is a pile of shit for taking too long to get into any major conflict, but ALSO the US is a pile of shit for involving themselves in other countries conflicts.
There is a huge difference between entering a war to help stop acts of aggression, versus going around supporting acts of aggression, helping to depose democratically elected leaders, or funding genocides.
I think you will find it is the last three that have attracted the real criticism over the years.
So was everyone else, even Germany was starting to run into food shortages. If anything this would be a reason to go to war, as the only thing that ended up getting us out of the great depression was the war.
Stopping fascism, and the holocaust. We've started wars on way less justified grounds than that.
America was on the sidelines converting most of a continent from a depression era economy to a war time economy and tooling up every manufacturer that made metal into making weapons. FFS, Singer (yes, the sewing machine company) made 1911 .45s.
Then we started sending war materiel to the allies measured in millions of tons.
Then we launched an invasion force of fucking biblical proportions just to get a toehold in France. All while fighting in Italy and Northern Africa, AND while fighting the Empire of Japan across the world's largest ocean (with our best base and most of the best (7th) fleet wrecked).
Sorry it took a couple of years.
Tell that to my dead grandfathers that killed Nazis to save your asses along with global freedom and democracy. We have our warts like EVERYONE yet we're first to fall on the sword and eat shit like this. Fuck that. I'm not conceding my fucking country or its name. Especially to 250 year old allies with whom we formed the first West free of monarchs.
You hit the nail on the head! This is exactly why I think the American attitude to the French is so peculiar:
American culture should remember the role the French played in the American War of Independence (and the French great great great great great grandfathers who died for you) instead of defaulting to that weird and crass "cheese eating surrender monkeys" nonsense.
The ones with brains know. I'm not special. Remember which voices are typically loudest.
I'm not interested in mouth breathing MAGA crowd though.
I made this point here because too many people on the American left spout this particular rhetoric.
Idiots come in all ~~sizes~~ sides
Oh, sure. Let me rephrase. I'm not interested in the knuckle dragging mouthbreathers of any stripe.
Too many seemingly otherwise normal, educated US people seem to blindly lean in on this particular rhetoric.
I was listening to Dennis Leary's Asshole this morning realizing it was always both sides in this particular way. I knew maga when they were working class Dems. They didn't suddenly change values ten years ago
I haven't heard that song in forever! I'd forgotten how catchy it is.
Yes, exceptionalism seems to know no political boundaries.
It really is. Most generic 90s guitar music ever. Sandler did the same.
Had us in the first half
As a German, the French are the neighbours with the based way to express their anger towards government and companies and the good food culture.
I don't define anyone for what happened decades before they were born.