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Do you really want Iran to have nukes though?
Just because Israel are horrible, doesn't automatically make the people they're fighting the good guys.
Honestly no but if I lived in a country or bloc without nukes myself I'd want my government to get them because its the only way to not get randomly regime changed whenever the US, UK or Russia feels like it. Totally understandable why they would want them.
Was Iran actually producing nuclear weapons?
Iran has multiple enrichment sites, with a reported 83.7% pure U-235. Such purity is only needed for one thing, and it isn't nuclear power plants which typically only need 3%-5% U-235.
Haleu fuel is pretty common that’s enriched up to about 20%. Highly enriched fuel is still used for nuclear power on aircraft carriers that use 93% enriched U235.
Iran is definitely just trying to make weapons but wanted to at least give some examples of higher enriched fuels
Being that we know Iran sells weapons to Russia, I wonder where it would be cheaper to produce weapons. Would it be cheaper for Russia to pay to have certain things created elsewhere or in Russia. We know a lot of Russia's weapons in the past were built in what now is Ukraine. Examples would be their Aircraft Carriers, destroyers, etc. Hell one of their main Aircraft Carriers was named Kiev
Every credible comment I've read says they're in the process of developing them, the only group who says otherwise is Iran themselves.
They havent been in the process of developing them. They have been enriching Uranium to the level needed for developing a nuclear weapon.
Iran has always been "close" to develop nuclear weapons over the past years, to ensure that it can do so to defend itself in the case of an attack. Now with Israels unprecedented attack, it is more likely that Iran sees the need to actually develop a nuke to protect its existence.
Israel knows this and keeps pushing to quickly get the US involved beyond a point of no return and fight the war against Iran for them.
Isn't that part of the process though?
It is a prerequirement.
If you produce thick steel sheets, that is a requirement to build tanks, but it doesnt mean you are building tanks.
Now if you start welding those sheets together in a tank shape, while making all the other stuff that you find in a tank, now you are building a tank.
So if Iran starts building specific parts for nukes and processing the enriched Uranium in a way that is suitable for making a warhead, that would be building a nuke.
Which is precisely what they're doing, unless you actually believe they want that level of enrichment for a power plant.
No matter how many tires you are stockpiling, you aren't manufacturing a car, unless you actually manufacture a car.
By that line of reasoning, they could have all the components of a nuke, and not actually be manufacturing one until they bolt it together.
When they have all the components manufactured and the enriched Uranium in "nuke shape" then y would also say they are developing one.
But while nukes arent that complicated to build in principle, there still goes quite some trial and design efforts into it.
This most likely includes doing tests with causing a nuclear explosion. Such tests would be detectable and a certain criterium for an ongoing development.
Remember how NKs nuclear weapon propgram got a lot of attention some 10 or so years ago? We knew because the seismographs picked up the shockwaves of underground explosions.
Israels attack follows a report from the IEAE stating that Iran has likely started the race to a bomb. They (Iran) have also recently expelled UN oversight from their enrichment sites.
I’m not defending Israel but what does that look like to you? Sure seems like for some people their hatred for Israel is clouding their objective judgement.
And that report follows a document leak showing the IEAE actively passing on confidential reports from Iran directly to Israel.
From all available intelligence, no. They clearly have a nuclear weapons program (which are insanely huge to begin with) but there has never been a measured test, and no evidence of enriched uranium at a high enough purity to be weaponized.
It's insanely hard work to created weaponized enriched uranium. With the sanctions Iran has had for decades it would be next to impossible for them to get all the stuff they need to create it on their own.
Most definitely. I want every country on Earth to have their own nuclear weapons. It's the ultimate deterrent.
You want 195 countries to have nukes?
Then, it's just a matter of time until a bug in some software or a crazy leader that was or wasn't elected lead to the worst case.
That is acceptable. Either we'll enter great times, or we will no longer be capable of understanding what good times are. Both sound good to me.
Browsing Lemmy feels more and more like listening to people in a crack house discussing global politics.
To be fair, I only comment when I'm feeling sleepy.
Please stop ad go sleep instead.
Crazy leaders like netenysho and trump have them
And that's a reason to give them to 193 other potential crazy leaders, too?
Either that or all country get rid of their nuclear weapons
Either we kill our species or we complete an almost impossible task...?
You are so delusional
If the country who drop two has it, why not?
Hasn't Iran a religious edict stating they cannot build or use nukes? We could be in a iraki WMD phase again (expecting Powell's jar to appear any moment now).
Iran has the right to defend themselves. Without nukes, they're going to end up like Iraq, Libya, or the countless other countries that Israel and the US felt like destroying. They're champing at the bit to smash Iran to pieces and it's not going to stop at limiting nuclear capabilities.
Funny how liberals never say this about Ukraine and Russia. It's only when non-whites fight back that they start bloviating about "both sides bad"
Funny how tankies always think "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". They have no capacity for nuance.
All your comments ahow that you have no nuance either
Feel free to call out these comments when you encounter them and provide nuance. I will keep trying to do the same :)
Sorry i mistaken you for another user
Sure, right here, where you've displayed no nuance at all.
Fair! I was following your example though :)
Whataboutism
You bringing up Russia/Ukraine out of nowhere in a thread about Israel/Iran? Absolutely!
No.
Well I never said that, so you're just straw-manning because you can't address what I actually said.
And again, funny how this "capacity for nuance" didn't come out for Ukraine, only for the non-white country. Almost like liberals are ultimately just white supremacists.
"non-whites fight back" is an interesting way to describe the fucked up, nuke happy, Ayatollah regime that's plaguing Iran.
Imagine thinking this was remotely similar to Ukraine and Russia.
Don't worry, I understand that - while it may seems to be an analogous situation on the surface - Ukraine a White country and Iran is not, and to Western liberals, that makes all the difference in the world.
And yet Iran is literally where the "Aryians" originated who were idolized by Hitler.
Here is the actual thing that makes all the difference in the world. It would be racist to think that Iranians don't deserve human rights and freedom, which implies they aren't as good as people in the west.
Russia, Iran - dictatorships.
Ukraine - democracy
Israel - democracy (but moving away)
The fact that you consider Israel a democracy when it denies millions of its subjects, not just the right to vote, but all rights at all, further demonstrates that you're just a white supremacist.
To be thinking that Iranians aren't good enough to deserve human rights and democracy because they aren't western/white sounds racist.
The human right of being carpet bombed by a genocidal ethnostate...