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Can we not pretend like this hasn’t happened numerous times in the past. The US hasn’t been in a war since WW2 and yet somehow we keep ending up killing people in other countries.
Do Vietnam and Korea not count as wars?
Or Indonesia, Laos, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Cambodia, Iran, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Croatia, Haiti, Congo, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan, Philippines, Syria, Yemen, Somalia again, Libya, Niger, South Sudan...
I think Congress never voted on any of them and so they were never defined by the US as being at war. They were all military operations from the instruction of the president.
Potato potato
From the point of view of the people the bombs are falling on - agreed.
...but it's important that Congress has effectively been removed from the decision making process for 60 years now. Presidents have been acting unilaterally for a long time, which makes it hard to criticise trump when he does the same.
Can't lose a war if you retroactively count it as not a war 😎
They all did. They were just not formally declared, doesn't make it less of a war in practice, but it does in the context of the law in discussion. Loophole mechanics.
I think Korea does and Vietnam doesn't (to the US) or vice versa. I think one was conducted with the US officially entering the war and one "in support of" a participant of the war.
...but its all games to get around congress having to vote to go to war.
Why do you let them set the narrative that a precedent of wrongdoing legitimizes future trespasses?
Im only pointing out that Bernie’s tweet is political posturing. The president had used troop deployments to enter wars that congress did not approve. Bernie acting like him tweeting how it’s illegal is gonna do anything is so stupid.
Don’t get me wrong I love Bernie but again this is political posturing. Propose articles of impeachment or stfu. Btw we’re already “at war” with Iran. Ted Cruz confirmed that they approved the missile strikes and have been providing guidance and support to maintain Israel’s advantage.
While offensive war is definitely wrong (I don't personally think defending yourself is wrong however, although some will differ), none of the undeclared wars that the US has been in since WW2 have been illegal under the laws of the United States.
POTUS has the right to send in troops, Congress has the right to declare a war but if they don't declare war that doesn't change the fact that the POTUS is legally allowed to send troops in, particularly for UN peace keeping (ie Korea, Former Yugoslavia), but even in the absence of an international umbrella.
As per post above the US president can defacto start and run a war until congress turns off the financial taps or impeaches him, only they can declare a war, and they don't like doing that, hence the last 80 years of defacto but undeclared wars
Yes, I understand the history, and I’m saying that all of those undeclared wars were a breach of the intention of the constitution to make the decision to go to war the purview of Congress.
It’s like all the other unwritten expectations of behavior that were never actual codified because the founders assumed politicians would be good people.
And now we have Trump who ignores every social more in the book and has shown that we really can’t leave good behavior down to “expectations.”
Excuse me, this is called "defending our interests".
Ironically a war with Iran is against America’s interests. Before Trump was president most conservative war hawks vehemently opposed a war with Iran even though Netyahoo has been claiming they’re “6 months away from mass producing nuclear weapons” since 1995.