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Same thing we did when netanyahu was the de facto president last year: Speak truth, get ignored at best and met with hostility most of the time.
This was one of the guys who spent every day agitating against Harris. Kudos, bro!
Great job proving their point.
Like so. Hostility for being against genocide.
It's not hostility for being against genocide.
It's hostility for ignoring the genocide you have triggered back in the US. For people who were supposedly against genocide, you sure did help trump get elected, which made the thing you supposedly "care" about, about 100 times worse.
Hope your moral righteousness can stop ICE. But we already saw how it helped the Palestinians, so I doubt it.
Bullshit.
You just want someone to blame now that your second favorite candidate is carrying out your only policy for you. If people who don't adore everything netanyahu does weren't worth listening to, you don't get to blame us when what we tried to warn you would happen happens.
Your moral cowardice made this happen.
You know what made this happen is a bunch of so-called leftists who make voting for the President (or even worse, withholding their vote) their only political act.
We could change the world if we’d unite and get involved in primaries and get out and inspire and educate. But instead we sit at our computers and shitpost and laud our own supposed moral superiority and deride other leftists who are only slightly different than us while everything in the real world just gets incrementally worse and worse.
WHAT FUCKING PRIMARIES? We didn't have any last year because your shitty wing of the party decided we shouldn't have a choice. After all, we might choose someone who wasn't hell bent on wiping out Gaza like party leadershit wanted.
I'm specifically talking about EACH AND EVERY FUCKING PRIMARY. No one except a small bunch of boomers ever bothers to take part in these. You're proving my point by instantly assuming that presidential primaries are the only primaries. This is a crisis that has only been enabled over decades by the apathy and lack of participation of leftists.
The party denying us all a choice because they prefer genocide to letting their voters choose their candidate is emblematic of a deeper issue within the party and its primary system. I can provide additional examples of the party's malfeasance during the primaries. That was just the most glaring.
This is a crisis because the party runs dishonest primaries when it deigns to run them at all.
My "moral cowardice" led me to vote for kamala because my trans sister is now fearing for her life.
I hope you can look at your Hispanic friends and tell them you have moral righteousness as they are arrested and shipped off to prison.
I voted for Harris too. but since I had the fucking temerity to criticize genocide, you've decided that I'm to blame for her losing.
Hiding behind the vulnerable minorities your party throws under the bus every chance it gets in order to justify genocide is low and shameful.
I never once advocated for not voting, voting third party, or voting for trump. Not a single time. All of my advocacy was for the party dropping its support for genocide.
I get that centrists don't like that because they preferred to lose than stop selling weapons for genocide.
Vote like you want? No, you can't do that and still oppose genocide. Oppose genocide without saying how you voted? You must be at fault for not voting like I want!
Can't win with genocide loving garbage. It's clear that you don't care how anyone votes. You just want silence from people who don't agree with your genocide.
You just want silence from the people who don't like selling arms to murder Palestinians with.
During the run up to the election, pro-genocide centrists (there has never been nor ever will be another kind) kept saying "you don't have to agree with harris about everything in order to vote for her!" Guess that was a fucking lie to get chumps like me to vote for genocidal shit.
Centrists scream that progressives are unreasonable for having standards. They holler "purity test!" any time they encounter criticism for anything they do, no matter how reprehensible. But when someone actually compromises their standards like centrists claim to want, they then scream at them for not applying one of the purity tests they claim to hate.
You just want silence from your left while you move so far to the right that genocide is on the table where you want it.
Worse. Naturally.
Now you're going to try to Socratic Method me into silence about the genocide you live for.
The position of the anti-genocide left was held by too few people to make an impact, so we were ignored. Remember?
Of course, this was before you lost and needed someone to blame.
My position doesn't matter, remember? So no. My position did not help trump get elected. No matter how much you disagree with my position that there should be living Palestinians.
If you want to continue to argue that being opposed to your genocide caused trump's election, then you can admit that your party should have listened to the anti-genocide left.
And when centrists run out of arguments for their reprehensible support for genocide, they start calling people children.
Concession accepted.
If you recall, you condemned me for compromising my morals to vote for the pro-genocide candidate you wanted.
I mean, I want to have a party I can vote for without compromising my morals.
Your vote compromised none of yours.
I said I want to have a party that I can vote for without compromising my morals, not that I would not vote.
As you already condemned me for, I voted for harris.
Nope, but the party can get better. Just not with the silence you demand.
Oh are you one of the little genocide lovers?
We’ve all seen the data. It wasn’t the anti-genocide side who made you lose, so don’t try to blame us for your fetish.
no, you dope. I have the maturity to understand that fighting against Trump’s opponents means Trump wins. Trump is worse genocide than Harris ever would have been.
So, what's the next atrocity we're not going to be allowed to criticize because centrists all love it?
if you keep agitating for far right fascists to be in power I’m sure it will be worse
centrists sure love to mischaracterize opposition to their genocide as support for their close second choice.
OMG you got me so hard!!! Great way to cope with the outcome of your actions.
trying to stick the “genocide” label on anything that’s not your fringe morally-pure choice (if you can even name a choice instead of being anti-everything) will surely result in more effective results!
Should have known you're a genocide denialist.
oMG got me again!!! If I don’t agree with you 100% I have personally murdered millions of people!! Every single one died at my hands, because I dropped the bombs and pulled the trigger! I’m so ashamed!
Trump is in office due to people like you though, not me.
I love how people like me are simultaneously too small a group to listen to, yet are solely to blame any time centrists lose.
Link to the reply where I said that, Mr. Strawman.
Well, you're blaming the anti-genocide left for the loss the pro-genocide center earned.
That was the comment I just replied to.
If we're to blame, if harris' loss is our doing, then we're kingmakers and you were fools to ignore us.
If we were too insignificant to listen to, then we're too insignificant to blame.
wow, these are exactly the same obtuse arguments that good old universal monk made. You don’t understand you could be a contributing factor?
when you swing from pole to pole in your argument like this, recognizing no middle ground or subtlety, it makes you look like you don’t deeply think about anything.
You don't get to ignore people then blame them when you lose. You don't get to have it both ways.