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Windows 10 is no longer receiving security updates
Not all machines that ran W10 are capable of running W11
W11 is full of AI integration, always-on data collection, and other no-sell bloatware
Linux is easier to use than ever and free
Windows 10 is the exact same BS, but 10% less in your face AI. Have people really been frog boiled this badly?
Much of that dubious functionality can be turned off in Win10. Not so in AI heavy Win11
I certainly was pre-Steam Deck, religiously looking after every Windows update for how I’d have to debloat the thing. After seeing firsthand how easy the SD was, I figured even my dumb ass can manage to search for instructions. Laptop is on Nobara now. Sometimes I have problems, but they’re rarer than they were in Windows and an easy search has solved them all so far.
I thought it was until October?
If folk wait until October, they will be more likely to go with windows 11 out of necessity. Better to learn while 10 is still an option.
For most people 11 isn't an option without buying a new computer.
Well this ain't true lmao. Win 11 is almost the same as 10. I have 0 "ai integration" on my PC. I don't even have cloud files on one drive. And the most "bloatware" are just windows apps like calendar or contacts etc which can just be uninstalled.
Linux is also not easier to use than ever, you still need to Google every day basic functions like installing programs etc and you still have to learn terminal commands. Like cool you feel that way about windows I guess but you're spreading misinformation
The Windows 11 Pro edition at my work had an entry for Whatsapp in the start menu after a fresh install....
This "Pro" edition had a popup ad for one of Microsoft's games pushed as a notification. Literally a popup ad for a game coming from the Professional edition of Windows. Something my company paid extra for.
I'm constantly playing wack-a-mole with Copilot. It's even in Notepad by default..........
Yeah, there is a reason my home PCs are all Linux Mint.
Idk why you have those issues. I disable copilot. I disable all taskbar add-ons, I disable and remove all notifications on the bottom right corner. I disable one drive. I have received 0 pop up ads for the entirety of windows 11 at home and at my full-time job. My wife's computer is the same way as mine and she knows way less about to do anything but open steam and play some games.
Needing to go through and disable all the stuff sounds like managing bloat to me, no?
I'm personally angry that we have ads on the default minesweeper and solitaire. Gross
The problem is that Microsoft doesn't honor your wishes. There is no button you can click that says, "opt me out of all AI and cloud data features." You can disable apps, buttons, and tracking today, but there will be new ones out tomorrow. And there may be a period of weeks or months of them sucking your data up before you figure out what they're tracking and how to shut it down.
Like cool you feel that way about windows I guess but you’re spreading misinformation
That's just a stub, an "ad". Whatsapp isn't installed. You can just right click and delete that shortcut.
Why do you not want copilot to even exist on your computer?
Linux Mint is exactly as easy to use as Windows, if not easier. In Windows you also needed to google every day basic functions, but I guess for you personally that was so long ago that you don't remember. On Windows you also need to use the terminal for some things, like removing some of their bloatware (xbox bullshit, for example).
There are some specific points I kind of agree with you about, but I don't agree with your general sentiment. Linux is easier to use than ever.
You do? Like what?
Or you can just leave it and not use it, disable it, or delete it from the add or remove apps settings menu.
Why does something simply being there but not used bother you guys so much? I don't get it - especially when it's so easy to disable them through the menus they give you.
Uh, he right though. If you think you have to use terminal and google for everything in Linux... that's just nonsense. Lol
I made the change a couple years ago and Linux runs circles around Windows now and is pretty easy to use.
If you're happy with windows, use it. I'm not going to waste any brain cycles arguing against someone else's computer preference. But quit with the terminal and hard to use shit with Linux. That shit is about a decade outdated. I can't even think of the last time I have needed to use terminal.
I'll try it again in a few months. My issue is that I make music, I'm not going to trust the jankyness of Linux and windows emulation.
When I try Linux I do it for gaming. My next gpu will be an AMD. maybe I'll try again then
Does LMMS still exist? There were a few other tools I used back in the day (wasn’t good at it so don’t ask for tips!)
Yeah, that's still a thing. I've been making music on Linux since 2006 and there's a ton of options now.
I use fl studio and ableton, but mostly fl studio.
Looks like you can run fl studio in Bottles: https://usebottles.com/app/#flstudio
Idk wtf that means lmao. But why would someone change their entire OS for one program they use daily that works perfect on windows 11
Well, I just letting you know that if you switch to Linux, you can still use fl studio
Oh. I'd never switch to Linux. I might install mint I guess just for gaming at some point. But Linux isn't stable enough to do production work imo
Linux runs most of the world's servers. It's pretty damn stable. One of the reasons it is generally chosen over Windows for servers is specifically because of its stability.
I'm not telling you to use it, mostly just this concept of instability is off.
Personal experience. Every version I've used over the years will crash randomly, you won't work, apps will close
I would be very interested in what you think about LMMS. It reminded me somewhat of FL Studio, but like I said I wasn’t really good at it so there may be features you’re lacking.
I have to say, the audio situation used to be a bit of a mess but it has gotten somewhat better.
You may have disabled copilot, but it installed and integrated into the Win 11 operating system. It takes 1 update to re-enable it without your consent. If there weren't precedent, that wouldn't really be a valid argument, but it wouldn't be the first time it's happened.
Linux Mint is easier to use out of the box than any version of Windows. It is 100% usable without typing a single terminal command. If you learn apt-get, it extends functionality and is basically 1 command, which again, is optional.
To install applications it's as simple as opening Software Manager, selecting the app, and installing. The app store is better than whatever windows has installed by a country mile.
On a fresh install it has a full libre office suite, all of the basic apps like calculator, and many others. If you don't want that, it can be prevented at installation.
It is inherently more secure, and updates won't revert settings or install malware like Windows updates.
Major version updates will always support old hardware. There will never be a situation like Windows 11 not supporting older hardware.
The only thing the Windows has over Linux is proprietary apps for a lot of products. For the average and most above average users, that's irrelevant. There are options for most fields but not all. For most people, life exists in a web browser, and that works better on Linux.
To be fair, I had to do that when I tried macOS for a while years back. That is just part of learning to use any new operating system. But after a while, once you understand the basics, you will no longer need to use a reference for the basics. Linux is no different in that regard.
The only time I use the terminal is for things that are just simpler to automate via a command line. Things that I would be using a command line to achieve if I were using Windows/macOS. The kinds of things that I do in Termux on Android.
Only time I use command for windows is when I have to format a drive that doesn't show up in disk management. On Linux I had to use terminal so much. And not to mention the god awful support for gpus. My latest headache was only one display of two would work and the other would be back unless I did a mirror, or turn down my refresh rate to 60 (both are 180hz) Oh it made me so mad lol. I give Linux an honest try at least once a year but this year it just completely fucked up a separate hard drive that has windows. Idk what happened but I put bazzite on an isolated 1tb drive, and it completely deleted my windows boot loader. I had no choice but to reformat, lost everything. Not a huge deal to some but as a music producer it was a huge huge loss. (Now I am going to just run off external drives for thet)
You absolutely didn't have to format your windows drive to fix the missing bootloader issue. That's like burning down your house because you lost your keys.
I tried for 3 days to fix it lol. Nothing worked. Even windows recovery didn't do anything
It's not an uncommon issue to happen when setting up a dual boot system. The easiest fix is to just add windows to the GRUB bootloader.
Unless your drive was encrypted using bitlocker, you could have just mounted it in Linux and recovered your data that way.
Oof, regardless of OS, it is smart to keep your important files off of your OS drive. Yeah, an external drive is one way to do that.
The first time you try Linux, you will have to take a little time to learn something that is new and unfamiliar to you. But this was true of the first time you tried Windows too.
The point is that it really isn't hard to learn, and today it absolutely is easier than ever.
Linux and Windows are probably just equally as difficult to use to the average user. Might as well go Linux with less obnoxious features like copilot and recall. My dad was a Windows user for many many years, but he still knew zilch about how to solve problems in Windows. The average user would need to google anyway, no matter which OS.
And with the right distro (Linux Mint for example) you would have zero interactions with the terminal. Everything's done via the GUI, just like Windows.
I've had to interact with weird things in Windows lately which I had to google up like 'open the run programs and type in srvcmngmt.msc' or whatever that was again. Something that apparently couldn't have been done via the GUI. Great job!
For the record I am still mainly a Windows user.
Linux is free? I think you need to have a talk with the folks over at IBM about RHEL or the folks over at EQT about SLES
Free as in freedom. But also free as in cost for most PC use cases. Red Hat and SUSE are mostly selling enterprise services.
You took a joking jab at red hat and suse a bit too seriously. But let me address at least the red hat portion of it.
IBM changed took away the Debian equivalent of RedHat: CentOS. They now have CentOS stream which is not what CentOS was -- the free and open RHEL byte for byte compatible operating system. Arguably at the time, yes, I would agree with you -- they were just selling enterprise services. But that's not what it is anymore. They took away the stability of CentOS and had everyone migrate to RHEL or away. There were talks at the time that they were violating the linux license at the time. However, it was argued that they weren't. Because they provide the source code for enterprise license customers, they did not violate the license. HOWEVER, they were cancelling enterprise licenses of people who were taking the source code to make RockyLinux and all the the other distros that came up to replace what CentOS was.
While yes, you have the freedom to do with the source code as you'd like when you have access to it, IBM is violating the spirit of what that means by throwing access to it behind an enterprise license.
Even the companies behind paid distros tend to release free versions. What they're really charging for is support.
That doesn't feel like the case for RHEL anymore. See my post here: https://lemmy.ca/post/47329016/17562982